On Fri, 14 Nov 2008, Jeremy Katz wrote:
On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 01:24 -0500, Seth Vidal wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008, Bill Nottingham wrote:
How is NM-dispatcher a developer service? Similarly, nm-tool is
at least quicker than 'ip addr ls ; ip route ls ; cat /etc/resolv.conf'.
and ifconfig -a works on multiple platforms, so it's the one that will
win.
ifconfig -a doesn't show all the information if you're doing multiple
addresses on an adapter.
it doesn't show binding but it will show virtual interfaces, eth0:1, etc.
but that's a side issue...
Let me change the wording of your argument a little...
"Look, for the desktop in particular Linux makes a lot of sense, I am
not arguing otherwise.
For the server it is a solution looking for a problem. Solaris works
just fine thank you very much."
It's *exactly* the arguments I heard with switching out Solaris stuff
when I was at NCSU.
Interesting, when I was in the same situation at duke the arguments I
heard was that linux wasn't tested enough and open source software wasn't
supported. It had nothing to do with it being too featureful. The
featureset b/t solaris servers and linux servers in 1999 were almost
identical. Most of the tools were actually the SAME CODE.
One of the things about progress and getting to a more mature *platform*
that is suitable across a wide range of uses is change. I'm not saying
that NetworkManager is perfect yet for the server needs. But having
people that want to run a server say "pound sand, go the hell away, we
don't want to run your new-fangled stuff" doesn't help us get to where
it is. Maintaining two systems in parallel is very much a long-run
losing position.
I think you're confused as to what I'm saying. You're hoisting up this
straw man that's neo-luddite and that's not me.
I think I'm tired of both of these perspectives:
'ALL NEW IS GOOD'
'ALL NEW IS BAD'
I'd like a bit more of:
"not all this new shit works and some of it should not have been started"
"sometimes you do have to throw one away"
And finally a bit more patience that changing systems which have been in
place for over a decade is going to cause some angst. That angst can be
minimized if the response to it is not so vehement and impatient. We have
a lot of vocal people who seem to think any resistance to change means you
want nothing to change. And we have a lot of vocal people who seem to
think that rethinking how we're doing thing is akin to heresy.
It's just not that simple.
-sv
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