On Fri, Mar 30, 2018, at 2:45 PM, mcatanzaro@xxxxxxxxx wrote: > I'm thinking most developers probably have no interest in the > containerization tools.... Heh. You are definitely living in a separate universe from me! Now there are a lot of cases of "developer". Picking a representative useful example of say a Scala developer using Eclipse; the "dev container" pattern would probably be hard to adopt vs installing the JVM etc. just on the host. However AFAICS there's lot of tooling to interact with OpenShift/Kube from Eclipse. For example: https://www.eclipse.org/che/docs/6/che/docs/openshift-single-user.html So our including `oc cluster up` helps get OpenShift up locally. It's obviously not hard to install after the fact, but then neither is a lot of other things included in Workstation. The discoverability of non-GUI apps particularly outside of gnome-software is an issue; Let's go to the opposite end of the spectrum and take a NetworkManager developer. IMO the "dev container" pattern works very well for this. I talked about this here: https://fedorapeople.org/~walters/2018.01-devconf-desktopcontainers/#/7 (See the start for more info, and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4IPWlfkJSo for the recording) Another argument here is: It doesn't make sense to include gnome-boxes (virt) by default but not containers. (Personally I tend to use vagrant-libvirt a lot for virt cases with which I have a grudgingly-accept/dislike relationship but that's an aside) _______________________________________________ desktop mailing list -- desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to desktop-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
