----- Original Message ----- > 2016-07-27 9:33 GMT-04:00 Bastien Nocera <bnocera@xxxxxxxxxx>: > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > On 22/07/16 14:08, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > > > > > Just what did you reasonably expect to do differently on battery vs. on > > > > mains? > > > Screen brightness is something that could be setup differently. > > > > > > I have not read through the whole thread, but my understanding is that > > > tuned could be used to "dynamically" configure > > > the system when there is no power and it runs on battery, using maybe > > > the "powersave" profile. > > > This change could be done behind the scenes by Gnome Power and it could > > > switch from "Desktop"/"Plugged In" to "Powersave" automatically, thus > > > making it "dynamic". > > > > That's what we used to have, in the GNOME 2 and early GNOME 3 days, and > > users > > absolutely hated it. Instead, we have automatic brightness based on the > > current > > light in the room on hardware that supports it, which also takes the user's > > wishes into accounts to avoid fluctuating too much. > > > > It seems a nonsense justification, > What about all those Desktop and Laptops that do not have a light > sensor? I think most users lose options for innovation, which is good > and useful, but at least maintain basic options until most of the > hardware count on these benefits. Users didn't like the fact that the brightness changed when unplugging the laptop. In most cases, there were already brightness keys on the keyboard allowing to change the brightness if it was a problem. And there are interfaces available for you to program this if you're so enclined. There's D-Bus interfaces to UPower to know if you're on battery or not, and there's D-Bus interfaces in gnome-settings-daemon to change the brightness. You just need to connect all the bits, and that code doesn't have to live in gnome-settings-daemon or anywhere else in GNOME. > > > I fully understand that this is not possible right now, but it could be > > > a very sensible addition. > > > > It was a work-around. I think you've been misled thinking that this was > > > > only > > > > a GNOME thing. GNOME, systemd, and kernel developers all agreed on > > > > making > > > > closing the lid suspend the laptop. > > > Every other DE did not have this (non)-issue, only Gnome 3. > > > > That's nice they make cooking laptops in backpacks a low priority. At least > > it's still on IRC! > > > > This seems to me an insult ... Do you mean that users and development > teams of other desktop environments and platforms are wrong? It sounds > like great pride ... It's certainly not meant as an insult, it's a fact. Yes, I think they're wrong. They can choose to disagree, but there are many low-level developers who agree with this behaviour, so it's not like I'm alone in thinking that. -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
