On Tue, 2016-03-15 at 14:44 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > "The basic question with using Vagrant from a marketing perspective: > how are we > a better development environment for deployment on Linux if > developers are > working the same way they would on a different operating system." > > I'd just like to chime in that exceeding the competition is ideal, > but let's be > careful not to lose ground by continuing to deliver an inferior > experience while > we decide what a perfect one is. > > Right now, Vagrant gives Windows and Mac users an ability to continue > working in > an environment they're comfortable with while still being able to > deploy on > Linux. At least having this remain a highly-supported option means > one fewer > thing they have to learn in order to make the switch. So I guess what > I'm saying > is basically: don't fixate on having EVERY aspect of Workstation be a > "better" > experience. Wherever possible, let the day-to-day workflow remain the > same for > someone who is crossing over and then wow them with the ecosystem > around it. > > Remember: no matter how good the new workflow is, if it is > *different* then > users will complain and fear it (or irrationally complain without > giving it a > chance). Sometimes a slightly more polished solution that still works > how people > are accustomed will go further than a brand new solution that people > are > unwilling to try. Certainly having vagrant just work as well as possible is something that we need to have available, though if someone is happily firing up Ubuntu virtual machines from the OS X terminal, converting that person to do exactly the same thing on Fedora Workstation seems neither all that likely nor all that interesting. (The fact that Vagrant boxes and some Vagrantfile options are tied to the provider is problematical. Providing an integrated out-of- the-box Fedora Vagrant experience relies on defaulting to the libvirt provider, but people coming from Windows and OS X will be depending on the virtualbox provider at least in shallow ways) But what are the enhancements we could do to make using Vagrant in Fedora slicker and better? Should boxes be explicitly vagrant-aware, and present appropriate options for vagrant machines? Should we have some terminal integration to open up a new tab with 'vagrant ssh' to the vagrant machine running in the current working directory? and if vagrant is being used "behind the scenes" to run testing instances of atomic apps (say) then we should be thinking at that higher level and how do we make *that* the good experience - the vagrant machine itself isn't very interesting - Owen -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
