Re: Dropping i686 media for F24

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On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 12:30:41PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Paul W. Frields <stickster@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 12:31:47PM -0500, Christian Schaller wrote:
> 
> >> Yeah, I think we definitely need to make the text part of the Fedora release
> >> process as I would assume that we want to adjust the descriptive text over time.
> >> So maybe we can figure out a system where our design and marketing teams can
> >> provide updated textual decscriptions for each release and in a format that
> >> allows our translators to translate it before release.
> >
> > I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing, maybe I
> > misunderstood?
> >
> > I was referring to the actual interface of the liveusb-creator.  It
> > features jargon such as "destructive (cp)"/"non-destructive (dd)" and
> > "persistence."  I don't think that's going to work well for users on
> > their first experience procuring and installing Fedora.
> 
> Martin's message sounds like persistence is going away because it's buggy.
> 
> dd would be destructive, cp would be non-destructive.

I understand these options, but thanks.  If these choices remain, it
would be better for them to be written in plain English.  For example:

"Overwrite the entire USB stick (destroys all data)"
"Copy files to the USB stick (preserves data)"

> dd is quite reliable since it keeps the ISO layout and bootloader
> completey intact; whereas with cp the bootloaders will need to be
> modified, which I still think is fraught with peril. I think the tool
> should just use dd on the backend and inform the user very strongly
> *ALL* data on the stick will be destroyed.

I tend to agree -- a more reliable tool is better, even if that means
sacrificing choice of options.

> If the tool is using livecd-iso-to-disk on the backend, that seems to
> be pretty reliable on x86_64 for both BIOS and UEFI firmware types.
> But my understanding is livecd-tools is going away in favor of
> livemedia-creator. So...

+1, this would need to be checked and tested.

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