-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 09/12/2014 09:26 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 08:39:54AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: >> On 09/12/2014 08:27 AM, Donald Buchan wrote: >>> I suspect that while the technical merits of removing LO from >>> a default install have their place (ie. large image size, >>> quicker downloads, less update server load, it can be easily >>> discovered in and installed from the repos, there are popular >>> alternatives like cloud suites and alternatives, etc. etc. >>> etc.) it's a major set of packages, *for me*, and I suspect for >>> a significant proportion of users, even if a minority (in which >>> case I concede that that would be a further reason to consider >>> its removal.) >> >> - From my perspective, the point of offering a Live Media instead >> of a pure installer is so that people can run Fedora and do >> something actually useful on it without having to clobber their >> existing system at first. (The try-before-you-buy scenario) >> >> We really need to figure out (ideally through user testing), what >> are the tasks that people would want to do before they install >> Fedora to their local system. I'd strongly argue that the most >> basic set of tasks would be: >> >> 1) Browse the internet 2) Check my email 3) Read/Write office >> documents 4) Use instant messaging (Google Hangouts, Facebook >> messenger) >> >> For Fedora contributors, I might also add 4) Connect to IRC >> >> >>> Oh, here's one more technical reason to remove it, or at least >>> modify how it's installed: Although I know that there is a >>> common codebase to the various parts, what about installing LO >>> piece-meal? I use Write and Calc all the time. I have used >>> Impress in the past but in the past three or four years I've >>> used it perhaps three times. I've never used Base, Draw, Math >>> or Charts since starting to use OpenOffice.org in 2005. >>> >> >> I just performed a little test. Removing Base, Draw, Math and >> Charts from my installed machine saves a whopping 6.3MB. Even if >> we try to account for a few different dependencies, the savings >> are negligible. >> >> The vast majority of disk space is taken up by libreoffice-core >> (241MB on its own) and its dependencies. > > The utility argument seems pretty strong to me. Also, I believe > deltarpm is still enabled by default in installations, correct? > That would tend to cut down on size of updates to download. > Deltarpms help only for updates. No matter what, you need to download the full package at least the first time. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iEYEARECAAYFAlQS+h0ACgkQeiVVYja6o6MArQCeMaMUnttRD3se3snOfGrygwZj w+sAn3nntEin1BsmvkEzCfkW0v65DUug =st7a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
