I suspect that while the technical merits of removing LO from a default install have their place (ie. large image size, quicker downloads, less update server load, it can be easily discovered in and installed from the repos, there are popular alternatives like cloud suites and alternatives, etc. etc. etc.) it's a major set of packages, *for me*, and I suspect for a significant proportion of users, even if a minority (in which case I concede that that would be a further reason to consider its removal.) Oh, here's one more technical reason to remove it, or at least modify how it's installed: Although I know that there is a common codebase to the various parts, what about installing LO piece-meal? I use Write and Calc all the time. I have used Impress in the past but in the past three or four years I've used it perhaps three times. I've never used Base, Draw, Math or Charts since starting to use OpenOffice.org in 2005. Beyond the question of "serious and ready for work" impression its inclusion provides, I'd say that if it is removed, then another (suite of) "killer app(s)" needs to be showcased. Unfortunately, a rock-solid base full of "a few nice apps" isn't good enough. Note that *for*me* that "killer app" is LO. For someone else, LO definitely *isn't*. For me the Security Spin is an example of what I mean: (1) lists all the major packages. I don't see LO in the list, but I consider the spin to be "useful out of the box" despite the ommission, because LO isn't what the Spin is about. So I'm suggesting that I probably won't publicly care either way (and mumble while installing LO manually, were I to use the WS live iso to install) but that from a marketing and public image perspective, the ISO should be "complete" -- whatever that means -- out of the box. note: I don't like installing from live images, for me it's all or nothing. I've been using the "full fat" iso or increasingly the net-install iso for years. Further, I'm in the camp of "easily able to navigate and install from the repos on my own in order to start customizing my setup". (1) https://fedorahosted.org/security-spin/wiki/availableApps > Hello, > > I agree with Elad Alfassa, Libre Office makes the images huge (what about > the net-install image?) and it also affects updates. > When someone gets the whole Libre Office suite by default, he may not > never > use it, but he may not ever remove it, and that leads > to bigger updates. > > LibO can be easy discover-able through Software or even Software search > provider -at least in GNOME desktop-, > and over and above LibO is a very famous project that everyone knows it > anyway. > > About how useful/popular is for the users ..who knows? I personally prefer > Office on Cloud services. > > - alex > > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Naheem Zaffar <naheemzaffar@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > >> Almost everything can be installed after the fact. Media players, web >> browsers, document viewers, games. None are "required" and can be >> installed afterwards. >> >> That does not mean that an office suite isnt useful. >> >> Having an office suite installed gives the impression that Fedora is >> serious and redy for work, and also stops the default installation >> from being seen as a "toy". >> >> When OOO.o wasnt installed by default, it used to be one of the first >> steps carried out by me (and I suspect many others). Having it on the >> live media is IMO a good thing. >> >> On 12 September 2014 11:06, Elad Alfassa <elad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> > Hello all. >> > >> > If we don't install libreoffice by default we'd save around ~500MB (of >> > libreoffice itself and it's various java dependencies) from the live >> > media. >> > This means less strain on mirrors, and that people will get their >> > media faster (even if you have a really fast connection - smaller >> > downloads finish sooner). >> > >> > Also, since we have an application installer these days, people who >> > need an office suite can easily install it. >> > >> > I suggest we remove it from the default install. >> > >> > -- >> > -Elad Alfassa. >> > -- >> > desktop mailing list >> > desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop >> -- >> desktop mailing list >> desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop >> > -- > desktop mailing list > desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
