On Fri, Sep 12, 2014 at 08:39:54AM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On 09/12/2014 08:27 AM, Donald Buchan wrote: > > I suspect that while the technical merits of removing LO from a > > default install have their place (ie. large image size, quicker > > downloads, less update server load, it can be easily discovered in > > and installed from the repos, there are popular alternatives like > > cloud suites and alternatives, etc. etc. etc.) it's a major set of > > packages, *for me*, and I suspect for a significant proportion of > > users, even if a minority (in which case I concede that that would > > be a further reason to consider its removal.) > > - From my perspective, the point of offering a Live Media instead of a > pure installer is so that people can run Fedora and do something > actually useful on it without having to clobber their existing system > at first. (The try-before-you-buy scenario) > > We really need to figure out (ideally through user testing), what are > the tasks that people would want to do before they install Fedora to > their local system. I'd strongly argue that the most basic set of > tasks would be: > > 1) Browse the internet > 2) Check my email > 3) Read/Write office documents > 4) Use instant messaging (Google Hangouts, Facebook messenger) > > For Fedora contributors, I might also add > 4) Connect to IRC > > > > Oh, here's one more technical reason to remove it, or at least > > modify how it's installed: Although I know that there is a common > > codebase to the various parts, what about installing LO piece-meal? > > I use Write and Calc all the time. I have used Impress in the past > > but in the past three or four years I've used it perhaps three > > times. I've never used Base, Draw, Math or Charts since starting > > to use OpenOffice.org in 2005. > > > > I just performed a little test. Removing Base, Draw, Math and Charts > from my installed machine saves a whopping 6.3MB. Even if we try to > account for a few different dependencies, the savings are negligible. > > The vast majority of disk space is taken up by libreoffice-core (241MB > on its own) and its dependencies. The utility argument seems pretty strong to me. Also, I believe deltarpm is still enabled by default in installations, correct? That would tend to cut down on size of updates to download. -- Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ The open source story continues to grow: http://opensource.com -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
