On Fri, 2014-09-12 at 08:39 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > On 09/12/2014 08:27 AM, Donald Buchan wrote: > > I suspect that while the technical merits of removing LO from a > > default install have their place (ie. large image size, quicker > > downloads, less update server load, it can be easily discovered in > > and installed from the repos, there are popular alternatives like > > cloud suites and alternatives, etc. etc. etc.) it's a major set of > > packages, *for me*, and I suspect for a significant proportion of > > users, even if a minority (in which case I concede that that would > > be a further reason to consider its removal.) > > From my perspective, the point of offering a Live Media instead of a > pure installer is so that people can run Fedora and do something > actually useful on it without having to clobber their existing system > at first. (The try-before-you-buy scenario) Certainly from the "try before you buy" scenario then I personally would wonder ( http://www.malak.ca/blog/?p=227 ) why it would be missing. Someone else, maybe not, who knows? (Hence why I think that a killer app or suite of apps would still be needed, regardless of what they are.) > We really need to figure out (ideally through user testing), what are > the tasks that people would want to do before they install Fedora to > their local system. (snip) I was starting to think that after I'd sent my message. And if LO proves to be wanted by a sufficient minority and removing it would be considered "a good thing", then as I said I personally would have no difficulty installing it on my own anyway. (In any case, I'm a more general-use case user and don't fall into the target developper audience, and I have sufficient technical savvy to tailor my system to what I want it to do.) > > Oh, here's one more technical reason to remove it, or at least > > modify how it's installed: Although I know that there is a common > > codebase to the various parts, what about installing LO piece-meal? > > I use Write and Calc all the time. I have used Impress in the past > > but in the past three or four years I've used it perhaps three > > times. I've never used Base, Draw, Math or Charts since starting > > to use OpenOffice.org in 2005. > > > > I just performed a little test. Removing Base, Draw, Math and Charts > from my installed machine saves a whopping 6.3MB. Even if we try to > account for a few different dependencies, the savings are negligible. > > The vast majority of disk space is taken up by libreoffice-core (241MB > on its own) and its dependencies. Thanks! -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
