On Mon, Feb 03, 2014 at 04:15:53PM +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > > On 02/03/2014 03:41 PM, drago01 wrote: > Having an active upstream is what matters ( again irrelevant if that > upstream is within the distribution itself or outside it ) Wrong. Having a working component is what matters. It is completely irrelevant who makes that happen. > > Our contribution as an downstream distribution is to delivering that > feed back we receive as well as package maintaining and integrating > the component or stacks of components downstream here with us ( > which makes us not demanding anything for upstream ) is that > successful beneficial relationship. This is purely your opinion. I disagree totally. > > So if an upstream maintainer is in any other role then "consultant" > within distribution(s) it becomes no longer successful beneficial > relationship for anybody it becomes a distraction for everybody. This is just your illusional "premise" reversed. It does not relate to reality any more than the premise itself. > > Image how further the software center work could have gone if > Richard would not have been distracted having to integrate it and > dealing with ( to put it mildly ) less then perfectly maintained > component with us ( as opposed to him be in the role of an > consultant and say this is whats happening and this is what I would > like you as an downstream distribution to do and then just continue > work on upstream ) That he had to do it himself means there was noone sufficiently interested to help. Why do you think that would have been otherwise had he not participated at all? > image how not so far or not so successful systemd > had become if for example Kay and or Lennart would have been > spending all their time migrating legacy sysv initscript to native > systemd units in downstream distributions. But they are not maintainers of all these packages in all these distros. So this argument is off topic. D. -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop