On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 13:38 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 15:12 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > > > - some people feel that there is a concerted effort in upstream GNOME > > to deemphasize and/or remove downstream branding. (The existence of a concept called > > GNOME OS probably doesn't help work against that perception.) > > This seems a pretty inarguable trend to me: there is much more of a > vertically integrated GNOME stack in Fedora than there ever used to be. > We are replacing the generic Fedora firstboot with gnome-initial-setup, > for GNOME installs. GNOME has been systematically attempting to replace > system-config-* with environment specific changes. > > I don't necessarily think this is a *bad* Thing, but it is definitely a > Thing. There is a definite trend towards our default live image and > package set becoming a lot more GNOME-y and a lot less Fedora-y. Oh, I forgot: GTK+ is getting tied closer and closer to GNOME, and there is a strong blurring of the lines between GTK+ apps and GNOME apps. GDM used to be a GTK+-based, fairly desktop-agnostic login manager: it is now a special instance of GNOME Shell, strongly integrated with GNOME. It can load other desktops, but this is almost a coincidence at this point. Again, I don't necessarily think these are bad things, but they're definitely things, and possibly ones Fedora as a project has not thought about systematically at the level of 'what does this mean for Fedora, and do we have to adjust anything else to account for these changes?' -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net -- desktop mailing list desktop@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop
