-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Rik (and everyone else), this is an emotional land mine that we have stepped into. Worse I knew exactly what I was doing when I triggered it. I did it because your actions (along with MANY others) I believe are wrong and leading our network community down a path that ends in a sort of Happy Politically Correct Fascist Hell. Or maybe, if your a Government or similar control group, a Pristine safely Regulated Heaven. If you and others continue along these lines of filtering email it will end up with a world where the US Post Office will controls all email, it will be safe (no crypto or anthrax content!) and it will be full of USPS blessed SPAM. Likely it will be a crime to filter or even mark the SPAM. You will end up loosing, painfully loosing, no matter which way things go. The spammers are BUYING entire ISP's so that they can spam away. While you folks are breaking email transport, trashing important anonymising email forwarding and helping encourage governments in planning to filter 'bad' content. Remember, that in the long run that commercial advertising will never be considered 'bad' content, while my (and maybe your...) political views will be. Thanks to your actions likely rather sooner. I am also upset that a list talking about crypto would filter possible list members based on IP address. That's really lame, IP addresses are like numbers at the deli counter, just a way of getting some order placed. The least you could do is only allow subscriptions to folks who can sign their requests. I see a conflict in having a list about crypto that wants to keep some folks (me in this case) out due to how they behave on the net. I presume that you also filter out all Arabs (as of 9/11) as well? There is a cognitive clash somewhere here in your supporting crypto but not supporting pseudonyms (open relays) access to the crypto lists. Rik, I know exactly what your bounce was about. I even wasted my time to read it and confirm that it was the evil I thought it was, BEFORE I send my first missive. I could easily have gone to another machine and subscribed to the list. But that is not the right thing to do, as it leaves you folks out there screwing up the net and inviting in government's to solve your problems. I bitched (yes, even flamed!) as it was the right thing to do. Building secure and stable systems is very important to me, the discrimination you implement is soft and easy and in the long run not just pointless but damaging to Personal Liberty. Freedom is hard. We have to build better tools (MUA's not censor ware in the MTA's) rather then act like most of our fathers and mothers and just ban what we don't like, because someone else higher up in the power structures your building will always end up with control of of the list of banned books...er...email. ||ugh Daniel hugh@freeswan.org Systems Testing & Project mis-Management The Linux FreeS/WAN Project http://www.freeswan.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3ia Charset: noconv Comment: For the matching public key, finger the Reply-To: address. iQCVAwUBO/G1O1ZpdJR7FBQRAQGydgQA4wdC2NsrTneCOoSaOieTcBYAseKW5RoA LVwk13HDnmQ+uK05AfiQl4aleZcK3VRa/IpkdKQ25UBU5+YJL6hjBRjI1991FWew S7lOxYDrNI2BDSgg0KEx+NuGhvzM6y1Z0wpU3E4YGMP5gL+TpRfCNpTZzqkOWVfR khThpw1rxKk= =Zpod -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - Linux-crypto: cryptography in and on the Linux system Archive: http://mail.nl.linux.org/linux-crypto/
