Re: low power single disk nodes

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Hi,

You have these guys as well, http://www.seagate.com/gb/en/products/enterprise-servers-storage/nearline-storage/kinetic-hdd/

I talked to them during WHD, and they said that it's not fit for ceph if you pack 70 of them in one chassi because of the noise level. I would assume that 1U wirh alot of sound and vibration canceling could cut it though.

They use a the sas interface as an ethernet port,pretty nifty.

Funny story, the first idea to this was 15 years ago, and they said they needed at least 16MB ram on the chip to make it work. Right :-)

/Josef

On 10 Apr 2015 14:32, "10 minus" <t10tennn@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi ,

Question is what do you want to use it for . As an OSD it wont cut it.
Maybe as an iscsi target and YMMV

I played around with an OEM product from Taiwan ... I dont remember the name.

They had an  Armada XP arm soc and a SATA port + 2 ethernet. Pretty niffty.
Downside were:
-  1GB RAM .
- OS was using a custom ubuntu
- Ceph had to be compiled and deployed.
-  if you put steady  i/o  and/or Cpu load for 15 - 20 min . the hardware will just pause.
Causing ceph to crash

hth


On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Philip Williams <phil@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
James Hughes talked about these at MSST last year, and some of his colleagues demonstrated the hardware: <http://storageconference.us/2014/Presentations/Hughes.pdf>

For tinkering purposes there is java based simulator: <https://developers.seagate.com/display/KV/Kinetic+Open+Storage+Documentation+Wiki>

The drives do use a key/value interface.

--phil

> On 9 Apr 2015, at 17:01, Mark Nelson <mnelson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Notice that this is under their emerging technologies section.  I don't think you can buy them yet.  Hopefully we'll know more as time goes on. :)
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 04/09/2015 10:52 AM, Stillwell, Bryan wrote:
>> These are really interesting to me, but how can you buy them?  What's the
>> performance like in ceph?  Are they using the keyvaluestore backend, or
>> something specific to these drives?  Also what kind of chassis do they go
>> into (some kind of ethernet JBOD)?
>>
>> Bryan
>>
>> On 4/9/15, 9:43 AM, "Mark Nelson" <mnelson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> How about drives that run Linux with an ARM processor, RAM, and an
>>> ethernet port right on the drive?  Notice the Ceph logo. :)
>>>
>>> https://www.hgst.com/science-of-storage/emerging-technologies/open-etherne
>>> t-drive-architecture
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On 04/09/2015 10:37 AM, Scott Laird wrote:
>>>> Minnowboard Max?  2 atom cores, 1 SATA port, and a real (non-USB)
>>>> Ethernet port.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015, 8:03 AM phil@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:phil@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> <phil@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:phil@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Rather expensive option:
>>>>
>>>>     Applied Micro X-Gene, overkill for a single disk, and only really
>>>>     available in a
>>>>     development kit format right now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.apm.com/products/__data-center/x-gene-family/x-__c1-developm
>>>> ent-kits/
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.apm.com/products/data-center/x-gene-family/x-c1-development-
>>>> kits/>>
>>>>
>>>>     Better Option:
>>>>
>>>>     Ambedded CY7 - 7 nodes in 1U half Depth, 6 positions for SATA disks,
>>>>     and one
>>>>     node with mSATA SSD
>>>>
>>>>     <http://www.ambedded.com.tw/__pt_list.php?CM_ID=20140214001
>>>>     <http://www.ambedded.com.tw/pt_list.php?CM_ID=20140214001>>
>>>>
>>>>     --phil
>>>>
>>>>      > On 09 April 2015 at 15:57 Quentin Hartman
>>>>     <qhartman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:qhartman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>>>      > wrote:
>>>>      >
>>>>      >  I'm skeptical about how well this would work, but a Banana Pi
>>>>     might be a
>>>>      > place to start. Like a raspberry pi, but it has a SATA connector:
>>>>      > http://www.bananapi.org/
>>>>      >
>>>>      >  On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 3:18 AM, Jerker Nyberg
>>>>     <jerker@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jerker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>      > <mailto:jerker@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jerker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>      >    > >    Hello ceph users,
>>>>      > >
>>>>      > >    Is anyone running any low powered single disk nodes with
>>>>     Ceph now?
>>>>      > > Calxeda seems to be no more according to Wikipedia. I do not
>>>>     think HP
>>>>      > > moonshot is what I am looking for - I want stand-alone nodes,
>>>>     not server
>>>>      > > cartridges integrated into server chassis. And I do not want to
>>>>     be locked to
>>>>      > > a single vendor.
>>>>      > >
>>>>      > >    I was playing with Raspberry Pi 2 for signage when I thought
>>>>     of my old
>>>>      > > experiments with Ceph.
>>>>      > >
>>>>      > >    I am thinking of for example Odroid-C1 or Odroid-XU3 Lite or
>>>>     maybe
>>>>      > > something with a low-power Intel x64/x86 processor. Together
>>>>     with one SSD or
>>>>      > > one low power HDD the node could get all power via PoE (via
>>>>     splitter or
>>>>      > > integrated into board if such boards exist). PoE provide remote
>>>>     power-on
>>>>      > > power-off even for consumer grade nodes.
>>>>      > >
>>>>      > >    The cost for a single low power node should be able to
>>>>     compete with
>>>>      > > traditional PC-servers price per disk. Ceph take care of
>>>>     redundancy.
>>>>      > >
>>>>      > >    I think simple custom casing should be good enough - maybe
>>>>     just strap or
>>>>      > > velcro everything on trays in the rack, at least for the nodes
>>>>     with SSD.
>>>>      > >
>>>>      > >    Kind regards,
>>>>      > >    --
>>>>      > >    Jerker Nyberg, Uppsala, Sweden.
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