On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 7:11 AM mario juliano grande-balletta
<mario.balletta@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> IMHO, there are insider politically correct opinions about the recent
> changes and then, there are the individual opinions of community
> members, end-users and the general public.
>
> IMHO, if you work for RedHat (IBM) your opinion could be slightly
> biased because of your career.
>
> But, the history of open source is full of examples of what happens
> when corporations try to create commodities from distributions backed
> by support contracts.
>
> IBM wants to make money, PERIOD. They paid billions for RedHat and
> investors, executives, want ROI and profit, period. No excuses.
>
> So, they are locking down RedHat and closing channels to important
> software/materials. It is what companies do all the time.
>
> I predict a decline in sales, a decrease in subscriptions and a
> percentage of the community moving away from Fedora / CentOS.
>
> It's only logical reaction.
>
> Does IBM deserve to make a profit for buying RedHat? Yes, indeed.
>
> However, this is not the best way, it is the same mentality of
> Microsoft, Oracle and others whose products are EASILY replaced and out
> performed by open source community software.
>
> IBM has had many successes over the years, many first innovations, but
> also a history of mistakes and flops too! This is a flop.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Josh Boyer <jwboyer@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: CentOS mailing list <centos@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: CentOS mailing list <centos@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: How will fragmentation help Red Hat
> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2023 07:20:50 -0400
>
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 6:13 AM Simon Matter <simon.matter@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > As I found out yesterday, the fragmentation of the "Enterprise Linux"
> > ecosystem just started to come true. I expect this is only the
> > beginning
> > and Red Hat may also start to completely hold back sources of non GPL
> > software which is part of the "Enterprise Linux" ecosystem.
> >
> > I'm really wondering, how will this help anybody and how will this
> > help
> > Red Hat in the long run?
>
> Competition in the Enterprise Linux space is a good thing. If a
> company or community other than Red Hat starts serving a market that
> RHEL can't, it forces Red Hat to evaluate and adjust. It keeps
> everyone pushing and developing solutions that hopefully benefit end
> users and customers. If everyone is fully participating in open
> source and upstream, it makes them all better inherently.
>
> > I've been using and promoting the Red Hat "(Enterprise) Linux"
> > ecosystem
> > for more than two decades. But, who will I promote in the future if
> > this
> > ecosystem becomes fragmented?
>
> Is it different from the non-Enterprise Linux ecosystem? What do you
> do there given the large variety of Linux distributions?
>
> My personal take on this is to think about what I use and why I use
> it. How does something solve my needs? Does it need to be better?
> etc.
>
> For example, long before I ever worked at Red Hat I was a Fedora Linux
> user. I love that project and distribution. I literally owe my
> career in some part to it. In recent years, I don't use Fedora
> heavily. Partly because of my day job, but also partly because my
> personal needs changed. I do still install almost every release in
> some way and try it out though. If someone asked me for a
> recommendation on a community Linux distribution, it would still be at
> the top of my list. Not because of what it was like in the past, but
> because of what Fedora is today which is far better than it ever has
> been.
>
> If someone asked me for a recommendation on an Enterprise Linux
> operating system, I'd say RHEL. Yes of course because I work on it,
> but also because I firmly believe it is the best on the market. It's
> what I run on my main machine every day. If someone asked for a
> community Enterprise Linux project, I'd suggest CentOS Stream because
> of the direct ties to RHEL, but also because I believe it's a
> relatively young and growing project with a lot of potential to do
> really interesting things. However, I would probably ask what their
> needs were and then I'd earnestly try to make a recommendation based
> on that.
>
> > I'm still trying to find answers but it's quite difficult.
>
> It is. It's difficult for an individual to decide, and it's difficult
> for a project or company to continuously push themselves to make sure
> they are the best option for the broadest number of users.
>
> > How do others, who were using and promoting the Red Hat "Enterprise
> > Linux"
> > ecosystem, handle this new situation?
>
> Respectfully, I don't think it's new. We've had RHEL, SLES, OEL,
> CentOS Linux and Ubuntu for more than a decade. Rocky, Alma, whatever
> SUSE's new RHEL fork is, etc are certainly newer but the situation
> itself is not new. I see it as an expansion of options, but the same
> set of considerations still applies. Which distribution and community
> aligns best with your needs, goals, and beliefs? Which one would you
> tell your friend to use?
>
> For me, it's still Fedora, CentOS Stream, and RHEL.
>
> josh
>
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I think I finally need to remove myself from the centos mail list but
coming from @redhat worker trying to explain what their company has
done, is pretty disingenuous to say the least. It's pretty clear what
they are trying to do and it's all driven by greed, have seen it over
and over in the opensource world, and lets be clear thats what it
always comes down to is greed. Bottom line its a d*ck move by Redhat,
but technically still meets the letter of the GPL so it is what it is.
IMHO they basically became another Oracle and we know how most feel
about them, but hey someone has this great idea to make more money
they have the right based on the GPL to do it..I moved a few servers
to Rocky when they killed Centos but this is it for me, I will migrate
my remaining servers over to anything but Redhat, they are dead to me.
I had been using Centos for many years, when Karanbir Singh was
running things and they would go to meet ups and you could get
t-shirts etc..Was a great run but Redhat has ruined all that and now I
just could care less what Redhat does from here on out. I'm nobody,
but where I do work we have options for which linux distro that we
want to run, I can assure you I will not be spinning up an Redhat
instances...fool me once, fool me twice...
Tom Bishop
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