On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 8:11 AM mario juliano grande-balletta
<mario.balletta@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> IMHO, there are insider politically correct opinions about the recent
> changes and then, there are the individual opinions of community
> members, end-users and the general public.
>
> IMHO, if you work for RedHat (IBM) your opinion could be slightly
> biased because of your career.
I agree and acknowledge there is bias for employees. Most of us try
very hard to be aware of it and think critically through it, but it
does exist.
> But, the history of open source is full of examples of what happens
> when corporations try to create commodities from distributions backed
> by support contracts.
>
> IBM wants to make money, PERIOD. They paid billions for RedHat and
> investors, executives, want ROI and profit, period. No excuses.
>
> So, they are locking down RedHat and closing channels to important
> software/materials. It is what companies do all the time.
I will politely point out that your implication that IBM had direct
input into Red Hat's recent announcements is an assumption on your
part and not based on facts.
> I predict a decline in sales, a decrease in subscriptions and a
> percentage of the community moving away from Fedora / CentOS.
>
> It's only logical reaction.
>
> Does IBM deserve to make a profit for buying RedHat? Yes, indeed.
>
> However, this is not the best way, it is the same mentality of
> Microsoft, Oracle and others whose products are EASILY replaced and out
> performed by open source community software.
>
> IBM has had many successes over the years, many first innovations, but
> also a history of mistakes and flops too! This is a flop.
I'm failing to see how this email helps further the conversation that
Simon started in earnest. I think Simon asks good questions and it's
worth a discussion. If your suggestion is to not recommend Red Hat
distributions, what would you recommend instead and why?
josh
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Josh Boyer <jwboyer@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: CentOS mailing list <centos@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: CentOS mailing list <centos@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: How will fragmentation help Red Hat
> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2023 07:20:50 -0400
>
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 6:13 AM Simon Matter <simon.matter@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > As I found out yesterday, the fragmentation of the "Enterprise Linux"
> > ecosystem just started to come true. I expect this is only the
> > beginning
> > and Red Hat may also start to completely hold back sources of non GPL
> > software which is part of the "Enterprise Linux" ecosystem.
> >
> > I'm really wondering, how will this help anybody and how will this
> > help
> > Red Hat in the long run?
>
> Competition in the Enterprise Linux space is a good thing. If a
> company or community other than Red Hat starts serving a market that
> RHEL can't, it forces Red Hat to evaluate and adjust. It keeps
> everyone pushing and developing solutions that hopefully benefit end
> users and customers. If everyone is fully participating in open
> source and upstream, it makes them all better inherently.
>
> > I've been using and promoting the Red Hat "(Enterprise) Linux"
> > ecosystem
> > for more than two decades. But, who will I promote in the future if
> > this
> > ecosystem becomes fragmented?
>
> Is it different from the non-Enterprise Linux ecosystem? What do you
> do there given the large variety of Linux distributions?
>
> My personal take on this is to think about what I use and why I use
> it. How does something solve my needs? Does it need to be better?
> etc.
>
> For example, long before I ever worked at Red Hat I was a Fedora Linux
> user. I love that project and distribution. I literally owe my
> career in some part to it. In recent years, I don't use Fedora
> heavily. Partly because of my day job, but also partly because my
> personal needs changed. I do still install almost every release in
> some way and try it out though. If someone asked me for a
> recommendation on a community Linux distribution, it would still be at
> the top of my list. Not because of what it was like in the past, but
> because of what Fedora is today which is far better than it ever has
> been.
>
> If someone asked me for a recommendation on an Enterprise Linux
> operating system, I'd say RHEL. Yes of course because I work on it,
> but also because I firmly believe it is the best on the market. It's
> what I run on my main machine every day. If someone asked for a
> community Enterprise Linux project, I'd suggest CentOS Stream because
> of the direct ties to RHEL, but also because I believe it's a
> relatively young and growing project with a lot of potential to do
> really interesting things. However, I would probably ask what their
> needs were and then I'd earnestly try to make a recommendation based
> on that.
>
> > I'm still trying to find answers but it's quite difficult.
>
> It is. It's difficult for an individual to decide, and it's difficult
> for a project or company to continuously push themselves to make sure
> they are the best option for the broadest number of users.
>
> > How do others, who were using and promoting the Red Hat "Enterprise
> > Linux"
> > ecosystem, handle this new situation?
>
> Respectfully, I don't think it's new. We've had RHEL, SLES, OEL,
> CentOS Linux and Ubuntu for more than a decade. Rocky, Alma, whatever
> SUSE's new RHEL fork is, etc are certainly newer but the situation
> itself is not new. I see it as an expansion of options, but the same
> set of considerations still applies. Which distribution and community
> aligns best with your needs, goals, and beliefs? Which one would you
> tell your friend to use?
>
> For me, it's still Fedora, CentOS Stream, and RHEL.
>
> josh
>
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