Sticking to the familiar makes a ton of sense. Switching is hard work, because learning the new tool is hard work. Years, many years ago I used pine as my tool. I finally left it for mutt for one simple reason--I could delete an entire thread of email with a single keystroke action. In pine that was 4 distinct actions, as I recall. I was miserable for the first couple months of using mutt, but I'm very glad I switched. Janina John G Heim writes: > There is a reason why apps like Thunderbird and Microsoft Office are so > popular. They are easy and efficient. Thunderbird worked pretty well with > orca for many years. I'm not going to change email clients every time some > bug develops. I'd go crazy. These bugs are enough to make me change > eventually. But I have hopes they'll be fixed. > > > > > On 11/10/2016 08:36 AM, Janina Sajka wrote: > > I just don't see any good reason for running a client like mutt in a gui > > terminal with Orca. Yes, from the "let's get everything working like it > > should" perspective, we need good performance and good behavior in gui > > terminals, but mutt just runs so well in a console terminal (think > > screen) with Speakup, that I just don't worry my poor little head over > > the gui terminal. > > > > It's rather interesting, though, that similar issues can sometimes crop > > up in the console environment. I've recently been running Fedora 25 > > pre-release mutt v. 1.7.1 as my client, and I occasionally run into > > focus problems, meaning that what Speakup's Keypad 8 will say is one off > > from the actual selection. Usually the screen Ctrl+l "redraw the screen" > > command fixes that. > > > > Until the last mutt update there was a more annoying issue for me where > > Home and End didn't work to take you to the top or bottom of the index > > list. It was a bug, and I'm so glad it's now squashed. > > > > As for replying to the wrong person, that just happens if one isn't > > careful to observe the header data before sending. You don't need to be > > blind and using a screen reader to exhibit that behavior. I see the very > > same thing every so often from the very smart teckies on my various W3C > > lists, most of who are perfectly able bodied. > > > > Mutt does have one command I absolutely love, and I wonder whether the > > gui clients have something similar. There's the usual 'r' for reply to > > the sender, and 'g' for reply to all, but I particularly appreciate > > Shift+L for "reply only to the lists, and not the individuals." > > > > I must confess, though, that I'm impressed that people have found a > > browser interface to email fully usable. To me this suggests that > > familiarity with the particular environment is still the most important > > factor for success with whatever one chooses to use. > > > > Janina > > > > Tim Chase writes: > > > On November 9, 2016, Jeffery Mewtamer wrote: > > > > Personally, I've never seen the point of e-mail clients and have > > > > always used a web browser to check my e-mail. > > > I think the big advantage is off-line usage. If you are connected > > > all the time and have dual-mode access for redundancy (say, a home > > > internet/wifi connection, and a 4G aircard), and don't roam much, > > > then a web-based mail client solves a lot of problems. But when > > > internet access is spotty or unreliable, it's nice to have full > > > access to your email offline. Fortunately, there are lots of > > > options, both within the GUI with varying degrees of accessibility > > > (Thunderbird, Kmail, Claws Mail, and Evolution come to mind) and > > > within the terminal (mutt and alpine being the dominant players, but > > > "alot" and mailx/heirloom mailx also come to mind as well as several > > > available within emacs). > > > > > > -tim > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Blinux-list mailing list > > > Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > -- > -- > John G. Heim; jheim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; sip://jheim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > _______________________________________________ > Blinux-list mailing list > Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:janina@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Email: janina@xxxxxxxxxxx Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Accessible Platform Architectures http://www.w3.org/wai/apa _______________________________________________ Blinux-list mailing list Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list