Wow guys, this is fantastic! Thanks to you all. I am using a vbii+. It.s parameters are controlled thru a menu system which is built in. For the moment I am happy just to get it working so I can read stuff without having to guess at missing characters. I am saving all this other good info, and will experiment with it whenever i need some more grief in my life, smile. Thanks again to all. I am now getting perfect output.