Static IPs

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Yes it is all PHP so it is parsed before it reaches the web. No coding shows
this way yet the renderings are there.
73 RR
AB7JM
http://personal.riverusers.com/~ab7jm_gila
----- Original Message -----
From: "John J. Boyer" <director@chpi.org>
To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: Static IPs


> Ray,
> I looked at the Web page you indicated, but I couldn't see how you hide
the
> graphics from the screen reader, unless you use the aplet to do so. I
didn't
> see any indication of graphics in the source.
> John
>
> Computers to Help People, Inc.
> http://www.chpi.org
> 825 East Johnson; Madison, WI 53703
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray Saldana III" <raysaldana@theriver.com>
> To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 16:19
> Subject: Re: Static IPs
>
>
> > One of the sites I do commercially is www.marthamyhre.com there are
> graphics
> > on it, and also applets, but I install them in such a way that if you
are
> > using a screen reader you will never be aware of them, and the text
reads
> > such that they are not needed for content. I use them as entertainment
for
> > the sighted community, as we know they are like children we must
entertain
> > them some.
> >     My personal feeling is such that if it is not related to content
then
> I
> > would not deal with them, and get to the mustard of it all. So I
> appreciate
> > your ideas so I know how others feel about it.
> >     For the web there are techniques to make everything readable for us
> and
> > easy to use. Little things such as when building a form coding in the
last
> > button underneath the final button so it is read correctly, and it still
> > looks god to a sighted person, yet is still very functional for us. Of
> > course it is a bit more work, but it works better. I just try to install
> > things so they are good for the sighted as there are so many more of
them,
> > and still offer us the ability to get what we need from them also. It
> > sometimes becomes a bit of a chore. I do however appreciate your
thoughts
> > and ideas.
> >     The one thing I can say for sure is we will not get out of this
alive
> > though.
> > 73 RR
> > AB7JM
> > http://personal.riverusers.com/~ab7jm_gila
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andor Demarteau" <ademarte@students.cs.uu.nl>
> > To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 12:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: Static IPs
> >
> >
> > > On Sat, 8 Sep 2001, John J. Boyer wrote:
> > >
> > >  > Ray,
> > >  > Jaws will report a graphic even if it has no alt tag. It may give
the
> > file
> > >  > name of the graphic. I feel that a blind user should know when
> graphics
> > are
> > >  > there, so he does not appear ignorant to a sighted user. Likewise,
a
> > blind
> > >  > user should know about the presence of other visual elements, and a
> > deaf
> > >  > user should know about sound elements. I don't want to seem like a
> fool
> > to
> > >  > my sighted colleagues.
> > > John, they also can be a little more approciative and know that some
> > things
> > > on a site are not visible for you (or audiable for a deaf person).
> > > Why do we always want to know exactly what sighted people know and
make
> > our
> > > lifes that more dificult at the same time.
> > >
> > >  > John
> > >  >
> > >  > Computers to Help People, Inc.
> > >  > http://www.chpi.org
> > >  > 825 East Johnson; Madison, WI 53703
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > ----- Original Message -----
> > >  > From: "Ray Saldana III" <raysaldana@theriver.com>
> > >  > To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > >  > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 15:03
> > >  > Subject: Re: Static IPs
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > > Carl, one other question, will you share your address with me? I
> just
> > want
> > >  > > to check it out for curiosity.
> > >  > >     Another question for everyone, I don't use alt tags in my web
> > pages. I
> > >  > > lay the graphics in so if you are using a screen reader you never
> > know
> > >  > they
> > >  > > are there. Do you feel this is a mistake? I myself am always
after
> > the
> > >  > text,
> > >  > > and since I am unable to see the pictures, just prefer they lay
in
> > and I
> > >  > am
> > >  > > unaware of them. This was my reasoning as I can use the text that
> is
> > what
> > >  > I
> > >  > > am after, and so prefer the pictures to be left to the sighted
> > community.
> > >  > I
> > >  > > would appreciate others feelings on this.
> > >  > >     I also use Java-applets, but lay them in so a non sighted
> person
> > never
> > >  > > knows they are there. In other words no interferences with the
> > sharing of
> > >  > > information. Do you guys feel this is a mistake?
> > >  > >     Animations I use and again lay them in the coding so they
don't
> > >  > > interfere, sometimes this is not an easy task, but can be
> > accomplished
> > >  > with
> > >  > > some effort. Thanks again!
> > >  > > 73 RR
> > >  > > AB7JM
> > >  > > http://personal.riverusers.com/~ab7jm_gila
> > >  > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >  > > From: "Andor Demarteau" <ademarte@students.cs.uu.nl>
> > >  > > To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > >  > > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 10:49 AM
> > >  > > Subject: Re: Static IPs
> > >  > >
> > >  > >
> > >  > > > On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Karl Dahlke wrote:
> > >  > > >
> > >  > > >  > Someone described a pseudo-always-on dsl connection from
> > Ameritech,
> > >  > > >  > wherein the company drops you if you're not busy,
> > >  > > >  > and you wake up with a new ip address.
> > >  > > >  > What a frightening thought.
> > >  > > > have a look at http://www.dhs.org
> > >  > > > great and quick service to get a dynamic-ip with a
> fixed-hostname.
> > >  > > > Works fine.
> > >  > > >
> > >  > > >
> > >  > > >  > I've just started hosting my own web site, on my own
machine,
> > >  > > >  > and I don't know why I didn't take the plunge long ago.
> > >  > > >  > It's easy, and it's fun.
> > >  > > >  > There are numerous advantages, and a couple disadvantages.
> > >  > > >  > Well anyways, it would be unthinkable if I had such a
terrible
> > isp.
> > >  > > >  > I certainly can't reprogram all the name servers on the
> internet
> > >  > > >  > every time they decide to give me a new ip address.
> > >  > > >  > The cable at-home service doesn't work like that,
> > >  > > >  > and I have nothing but good things to say about them.
> > >  > > >  > They even tried to help me set up,
> > >  > > >  > knowing that I was on Linux.
> > >  > > >  > That's pretty rare.
> > >  > > >  >
> > >  > > >  > Getting back to the IPs;
> > >  > > >  > one day we lost the bill, or it got lost in the mail, or
> > whatever,
> > >  > > >  > and I was behind, so they turned off the service.
> > >  > > >  > I called with my credit card to turn it back on and asked,
> > >  > > >  > please please please,
> > >  > > >  > can I have my old ip back again.
> > >  > > >  > "Sure, we've been saving it for you."
> > >  > > >  > Now that's class,
> > >  > > >  > and its certainly important to those of us who are hosting
our
> > own
> > >  > > sites.
> > >  > > >  >
> > >  > > >  > Karl Dahlke
> > >  > > >  >
> > >  > > >  >
> > >  > > >  >
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> > >  > > >
> > >  > > > slainte mhaith (good health), slainte (cheers)
> > >  > > > Uisce Beatha (water of live/health)
> > >  > > > -----------
> > >  > > > Andor Demarteau                 E-mail:
> ademarte@students.cs.uu.nl
> > >  > > > student computer science        www:
> > >  > > http://www.students.cs.uu.nl/~ademarte/
> > >  > > > Utrecht University              irc: see webpage for details
> > >  > > > -----------
> > >  > > > Believe in yourself, know what you want, and make it happen!
> > >  > > >
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> > > -----------
> > > Andor Demarteau                 E-mail: ademarte@students.cs.uu.nl
> > > student computer science        www:
> > http://www.students.cs.uu.nl/~ademarte/
> > > Utrecht University              irc: see webpage for details
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