One of the sites I do commercially is www.marthamyhre.com there are graphics
on it, and also applets, but I install them in such a way that if you are
using a screen reader you will never be aware of them, and the text reads
such that they are not needed for content. I use them as entertainment for
the sighted community, as we know they are like children we must entertain
them some.
My personal feeling is such that if it is not related to content then I
would not deal with them, and get to the mustard of it all. So I appreciate
your ideas so I know how others feel about it.
For the web there are techniques to make everything readable for us and
easy to use. Little things such as when building a form coding in the last
button underneath the final button so it is read correctly, and it still
looks god to a sighted person, yet is still very functional for us. Of
course it is a bit more work, but it works better. I just try to install
things so they are good for the sighted as there are so many more of them,
and still offer us the ability to get what we need from them also. It
sometimes becomes a bit of a chore. I do however appreciate your thoughts
and ideas.
The one thing I can say for sure is we will not get out of this alive
though.
73 RR
AB7JM
http://personal.riverusers.com/~ab7jm_gila
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andor Demarteau" <ademarte@students.cs.uu.nl>
To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: Static IPs
> On Sat, 8 Sep 2001, John J. Boyer wrote:
>
> > Ray,
> > Jaws will report a graphic even if it has no alt tag. It may give the
file
> > name of the graphic. I feel that a blind user should know when graphics
are
> > there, so he does not appear ignorant to a sighted user. Likewise, a
blind
> > user should know about the presence of other visual elements, and a
deaf
> > user should know about sound elements. I don't want to seem like a fool
to
> > my sighted colleagues.
> John, they also can be a little more approciative and know that some
things
> on a site are not visible for you (or audiable for a deaf person).
> Why do we always want to know exactly what sighted people know and make
our
> lifes that more dificult at the same time.
>
> > John
> >
> > Computers to Help People, Inc.
> > http://www.chpi.org
> > 825 East Johnson; Madison, WI 53703
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ray Saldana III" <raysaldana@theriver.com>
> > To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 15:03
> > Subject: Re: Static IPs
> >
> >
> > > Carl, one other question, will you share your address with me? I just
want
> > > to check it out for curiosity.
> > > Another question for everyone, I don't use alt tags in my web
pages. I
> > > lay the graphics in so if you are using a screen reader you never
know
> > they
> > > are there. Do you feel this is a mistake? I myself am always after
the
> > text,
> > > and since I am unable to see the pictures, just prefer they lay in
and I
> > am
> > > unaware of them. This was my reasoning as I can use the text that is
what
> > I
> > > am after, and so prefer the pictures to be left to the sighted
community.
> > I
> > > would appreciate others feelings on this.
> > > I also use Java-applets, but lay them in so a non sighted person
never
> > > knows they are there. In other words no interferences with the
sharing of
> > > information. Do you guys feel this is a mistake?
> > > Animations I use and again lay them in the coding so they don't
> > > interfere, sometimes this is not an easy task, but can be
accomplished
> > with
> > > some effort. Thanks again!
> > > 73 RR
> > > AB7JM
> > > http://personal.riverusers.com/~ab7jm_gila
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Andor Demarteau" <ademarte@students.cs.uu.nl>
> > > To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 10:49 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Static IPs
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Karl Dahlke wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Someone described a pseudo-always-on dsl connection from
Ameritech,
> > > > > wherein the company drops you if you're not busy,
> > > > > and you wake up with a new ip address.
> > > > > What a frightening thought.
> > > > have a look at http://www.dhs.org
> > > > great and quick service to get a dynamic-ip with a fixed-hostname.
> > > > Works fine.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I've just started hosting my own web site, on my own machine,
> > > > > and I don't know why I didn't take the plunge long ago.
> > > > > It's easy, and it's fun.
> > > > > There are numerous advantages, and a couple disadvantages.
> > > > > Well anyways, it would be unthinkable if I had such a terrible
isp.
> > > > > I certainly can't reprogram all the name servers on the internet
> > > > > every time they decide to give me a new ip address.
> > > > > The cable at-home service doesn't work like that,
> > > > > and I have nothing but good things to say about them.
> > > > > They even tried to help me set up,
> > > > > knowing that I was on Linux.
> > > > > That's pretty rare.
> > > > >
> > > > > Getting back to the IPs;
> > > > > one day we lost the bill, or it got lost in the mail, or
whatever,
> > > > > and I was behind, so they turned off the service.
> > > > > I called with my credit card to turn it back on and asked,
> > > > > please please please,
> > > > > can I have my old ip back again.
> > > > > "Sure, we've been saving it for you."
> > > > > Now that's class,
> > > > > and its certainly important to those of us who are hosting our
own
> > > sites.
> > > > >
> > > > > Karl Dahlke
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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