On Sat, 8 Sep 2001, Ray Saldana III wrote: > Yes it is all PHP so it is parsed before it reaches the web. No coding shows > this way yet the renderings are there. For the information of all: In php a simple variable shows what browser with what capabilities is used to access the pages. This simply can be used to screen-out images/applets if necessary/wanted. I'll write a script that will display all info about a user visiting a page and put it on the web, I'll post teh url here so everyone can look at it (the results and the source). > 73 RR > AB7JM > http://personal.riverusers.com/~ab7jm_gila > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John J. Boyer" <director@chpi.org> > To: <blinux-list@redhat.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 1:39 PM > Subject: Re: Static IPs > > > > Ray, > > I looked at the Web page you indicated, but I couldn't see how you hide > the > > graphics from the screen reader, unless you use the aplet to do so. I > didn't > > see any indication of graphics in the source. > > John > > > > Computers to Help People, Inc. > > http://www.chpi.org > > 825 East Johnson; Madison, WI 53703 > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ray Saldana III" <raysaldana@theriver.com> > > To: <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 16:19 > > Subject: Re: Static IPs > > > > > > > One of the sites I do commercially is www.marthamyhre.com there are > > graphics > > > on it, and also applets, but I install them in such a way that if you > are > > > using a screen reader you will never be aware of them, and the text > reads > > > such that they are not needed for content. I use them as entertainment > for > > > the sighted community, as we know they are like children we must > entertain > > > them some. > > > My personal feeling is such that if it is not related to content > then > > I > > > would not deal with them, and get to the mustard of it all. So I > > appreciate > > > your ideas so I know how others feel about it. > > > For the web there are techniques to make everything readable for us > > and > > > easy to use. Little things such as when building a form coding in the > last > > > button underneath the final button so it is read correctly, and it still > > > looks god to a sighted person, yet is still very functional for us. Of > > > course it is a bit more work, but it works better. I just try to install > > > things so they are good for the sighted as there are so many more of > them, > > > and still offer us the ability to get what we need from them also. It > > > sometimes becomes a bit of a chore. I do however appreciate your > thoughts > > > and ideas. > > > The one thing I can say for sure is we will not get out of this > alive > > > though. > > > 73 RR > > > AB7JM > > > http://personal.riverusers.com/~ab7jm_gila > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Andor Demarteau" <ademarte@students.cs.uu.nl> > > > To: <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 12:35 PM > > > Subject: Re: Static IPs > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 8 Sep 2001, John J. Boyer wrote: > > > > > > > > > Ray, > > > > > Jaws will report a graphic even if it has no alt tag. It may give > the > > > file > > > > > name of the graphic. I feel that a blind user should know when > > graphics > > > are > > > > > there, so he does not appear ignorant to a sighted user. Likewise, > a > > > blind > > > > > user should know about the presence of other visual elements, and a > > > deaf > > > > > user should know about sound elements. I don't want to seem like a > > fool > > > to > > > > > my sighted colleagues. > > > > John, they also can be a little more approciative and know that some > > > things > > > > on a site are not visible for you (or audiable for a deaf person). > > > > Why do we always want to know exactly what sighted people know and > make > > > our > > > > lifes that more dificult at the same time. > > > > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > Computers to Help People, Inc. > > > > > http://www.chpi.org > > > > > 825 East Johnson; Madison, WI 53703 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Ray Saldana III" <raysaldana@theriver.com> > > > > > To: <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 15:03 > > > > > Subject: Re: Static IPs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Carl, one other question, will you share your address with me? I > > just > > > want > > > > > > to check it out for curiosity. > > > > > > Another question for everyone, I don't use alt tags in my web > > > pages. I > > > > > > lay the graphics in so if you are using a screen reader you never > > > know > > > > > they > > > > > > are there. Do you feel this is a mistake? I myself am always > after > > > the > > > > > text, > > > > > > and since I am unable to see the pictures, just prefer they lay > in > > > and I > > > > > am > > > > > > unaware of them. This was my reasoning as I can use the text that > > is > > > what > > > > > I > > > > > > am after, and so prefer the pictures to be left to the sighted > > > community. > > > > > I > > > > > > would appreciate others feelings on this. > > > > > > I also use Java-applets, but lay them in so a non sighted > > person > > > never > > > > > > knows they are there. In other words no interferences with the > > > sharing of > > > > > > information. Do you guys feel this is a mistake? > > > > > > Animations I use and again lay them in the coding so they > don't > > > > > > interfere, sometimes this is not an easy task, but can be > > > accomplished > > > > > with > > > > > > some effort. Thanks again! > > > > > > 73 RR > > > > > > AB7JM > > > > > > http://personal.riverusers.com/~ab7jm_gila > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Andor Demarteau" <ademarte@students.cs.uu.nl> > > > > > > To: <blinux-list@redhat.com> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 10:49 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: Static IPs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Karl Dahlke wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Someone described a pseudo-always-on dsl connection from > > > Ameritech, > > > > > > > > wherein the company drops you if you're not busy, > > > > > > > > and you wake up with a new ip address. > > > > > > > > What a frightening thought. > > > > > > > have a look at http://www.dhs.org > > > > > > > great and quick service to get a dynamic-ip with a > > fixed-hostname. > > > > > > > Works fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've just started hosting my own web site, on my own > machine, > > > > > > > > and I don't know why I didn't take the plunge long ago. > > > > > > > > It's easy, and it's fun. > > > > > > > > There are numerous advantages, and a couple disadvantages. > > > > > > > > Well anyways, it would be unthinkable if I had such a > terrible > > > isp. > > > > > > > > I certainly can't reprogram all the name servers on the > > internet > > > > > > > > every time they decide to give me a new ip address. > > > > > > > > The cable at-home service doesn't work like that, > > > > > > > > and I have nothing but good things to say about them. > > > > > > > > They even tried to help me set up, > > > > > > > > knowing that I was on Linux. > > > > > > > > That's pretty rare. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Getting back to the IPs; > > > > > > > > one day we lost the bill, or it got lost in the mail, or > > > whatever, > > > > > > > > and I was behind, so they turned off the service. > > > > > > > > I called with my credit card to turn it back on and asked, > > > > > > > > please please please, > > > > > > > > can I have my old ip back again. > > > > > > > > "Sure, we've been saving it for you." > > > > > > > > Now that's class, > > > > > > > > and its certainly important to those of us who are hosting > our > > > own > > > > > > sites. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karl Dahlke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > > > > > > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > slainte mhaith (good health), slainte (cheers) > > > > > > > Uisce Beatha (water of live/health) > > > > > > > ----------- > > > > > > > Andor Demarteau E-mail: > > ademarte@students.cs.uu.nl > > > > > > > student computer science www: > > > > > > http://www.students.cs.uu.nl/~ademarte/ > > > > > > > Utrecht University irc: see webpage for details > > > > > > > ----------- > > > > > > > Believe in yourself, know what you want, and make it happen! 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