A great exchange of ideas and thoughts. I think we all need to realize
though that the whole reason we get to have these exchanges in this format
is all of the programmers collectively that have contributed to our access
to written communications! I appreciate them all, Linux, Windows, All of
them!
In the past there was a wall up to us that was a very formidable barrier
and that was Braille. Though Braille was a great thing, it presented a
barrier to those not being able to read printed material, as they could take
notes and write letters, but only to someone that understood Braille! Now
though the computer has bridged the gap by allowing us to communicate in a
forum that is comfortable to the sighted community. Face it we are the ones
that are different, so must adapt, and all of the programmers no matter how
small they contributed, none the less contributed to the betterment of our
lives.
I myself feel so lucky to be able to access printed word again! I am
just thankful to all who have tried to help! After all is said and done, I
am just thankful to have the opportunity to have an exchange like this at
all!
Think of this as you navigate the web, you run across inaccessible web
pages, and must struggle to get the information from them. But think of
this, at least you can get the information for yourself! Have you ever been
able to do this from a book or magazine someone left behind? I mean all for
yourself, as you and I both know it is hard to ask someone to read to you,
and if you need it reread to you you could feel their frustration especially
if they were not interested in the subject matter or didn't understand it.
Think about leaving it all behind you! Life is much easier now!
I think this was a healthy exchange of ideas, and you have great minds.
It is time now however to count our blessings, and remember what it was like
before! I like both systems, and respect the contributions of all that have
worked to make my life easier.
One also important point was made about the freeware community working
and sharing their knowledge, bless those people! I only wish I had big
enough pockets to help them all, though they still keep working with a
believe in mind, and ingenuity, they are heroes in my book! We are lucky to
live in this time!
I toast you all as you fight for knowledge and struggle to access, and
work to keep on keeping on, none of you have quit, and that is something to
be very proud of! You as well as I could have said, "I can't see anymore, I
am going to sit here and do nothing from now on." I know you have came
across this, and that is something to be really ashamed of! Keep up the good
work, and though it is a challenge come away with the knowledge that you are
progressing in a situation most can't imagine!
73 RR
AB7JM
http://personal.riverusers.com/~ab7jm_gila
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andor Demarteau" <ademarte@students.cs.uu.nl>
To: <blinux-list@redhat.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: The growing accessibility gap: was Ameritech.net
> On Fri, 7 Sep 2001, Rafael Skodlar wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 10:04:22PM -0400, Jared wrote:
> > > If the command line is so grate write me or help write me a mass
market
> > > application that cells to millions of coppies. You can't because you
can't
> Linux is not an economic product, no mass-ads for it and certainly no big
> company behind it.
> Don't try to blame lack of knolidge about handeling linux as inaccesible
> Last but not leeast, you don't SELL linux you get it FOR FREE!
> Now how is that compared to all commerical bullshit!
>
> One last thing, I'm possitive that if the gnome and kde accebility
projects
> succeed that will be a lot better then MS and all included will ever
> become.
>
> Fine, if you feel better win windbloze, your problem.
> Now, let's quit the OS-discussion and ask ourselves what this thread
really
> is about then bitching each other about here believes/experiences.
>
>
> > You do need to learn basics of economics, technology, and about
menthality
> > of masses.
> >
> > > use the g u i interface in linux like you can in windows. So you will
have
> >
> > Come on, stop this nonsense! Linux Apps can be and often are much
better
> > designed in GUI or otherwise. The applications at least reside separate
> > from data which is not the case in most Windoze crap where there is no
> > serious concept of home.
> >
> > I support developers on a daily basis and it's amazing to see that they
> > can come come up with something that works under windows. Fortunately
for
> > me I only need to deal with Linux and Solaris, both stable which I
cannot
> > say for windoze.
> >
> > > to write in general smaller market programs if you wish to do that
for a
> > > job. I on the other hand because I'm not thick headed can write G U I
> > > applications with vb or any number of other tools. As for your
comment to
> >
> > VB is not software development!
> >
> > > Mr. Toneby what about the people who tryed to make linux a more user
> > > friendly opperaiting system generated a G U I so they generated code
that
> >
> > They've done a nice job, thank you. Gnome, KDE, etc. with a lot of
tools
> > and apps including nice virtual screens which I have yet to see in
> > (default) windows.
> >
> > > turned to inaccessible garbige for you so they are just as mutch at
fault as
> > > sun. A large part of microsoft is that the windows 3.1 was not around
for a
> > > long enough time for standerds to devolipe. They may have been
responcible
> >
> > Windows was never a standard and it never will be outside MS. At least
you
> > can export X windows applications between different platforms which is
NOT
> > the case in windows. Worse, one application in one version of windoze
> > won't run in another in many cases.
> >
> > Unix is mature OS, windows is still in diapers and they smell badly.
> >
> > > for the inaccessibility in the past but now they are making an effort
to
> > > change that tell me is there anyone trying in the linux community
cort or no
> > > cort trying to make a screen reader for the G U I part of linux? If
so
> >
> > Linux is open source and depends on developers free time among other
> > things. If you want something written for you then come up with some
dough
> > to support Linux community. Perhaps if somebody gets all the equipment
> > needed to develop such a reader, they'll do it. Small markets get less
> > attention than large ones, simple economics.
> >
> > > please send me email so I can try and help but don't complain about
> > > microsoft when people arn't working to help your beloved oh so
accessible
> > > linux.
> >
> > More nonsense! Nobody owes you free programs. Be happy to get them so
> > cheap.
> >
> > GNU/Linux is just an OS that makes computers usable. It happens to be
very
> > good tool and free on top of that. Don't like it? Go somewhere else.
> >
> > Rafael
> >
> >
> >
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>
> slainte mhaith (good health), slainte (cheers)
> Uisce Beatha (water of live/health)
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