hi, I forgot to mention that they not only think about blind people but also about one-handed or other bodily disablileties. i.e. control the GUI with eye-movement or a one-handed joystick/keyboard etc. So the scope is much bigger then our small non-visual community. -- slainte mhaith (good health), slainte (cheers) Uisce Beatha (water of live/health) ----------- Andor Demarteau E-mail: ademarte@students.cs.uu.nl student computer science www: http://www.students.cs.uu.nl/~ademarte/ Utrecht University irc: see webpage for details ----------- Believe in yourself, know what you want, and make it happen!