On Wed, 2 Dec 2009 02:26:39 +0100 Xavier <shiningxc@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 8:02 PM, Aaron Griffin > <aaronmgriffin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > Oh shit, seriously? Looks like I'll have to rebuild this as well. > > > > Serious question: does ANYONE have a keyboard that didn't > > automatically work before this debacle? External keyboard always > > Just Worked without needing to do anything. The same with mice if I > > used /dev/input/mice. Sure, I didn't have a crazy Xtreme Gaming > > Mouse 9000 or anything, but it never once failed for me under > > ordinary usage... > > > > I just noticed there is a decent section on the wiki about this > subject : > http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg_input_hotplugging#Rationale > > Digging a bit more, I also found a similar page on debian wiki which > might be even more interesting : > http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide > The fun part is that the end of the article actually gives a reference > to arch wiki page. > > Debian also have a bunch of "we do not need hal" whiners, which lead > to a bug report. And for example this answer from a developer is also > informative : > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=515214#91 > > I have yet to see someone serious and informed saying input hotplug > sucks. All xorg developers I have seen (on the web : ML, blogs, irc, > ...) seem to agree this new infrastructure is much better. > > Anyway hal is dead : > http://wiki.x.org/wiki/Events/XDC2009/Notes?highlight=%28hal%29|%28udev%29#head-75cccc4e4968dd043dcf2166dff61afd7d0d06c5 > But since that functionality is definitely needed, it will have to be > replaced.. somehow. Isn't that somehow going to be device-kit? If so, we won't get rid of dbus.