Re: Dell AIO speaker pop noise

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On 2019/4/17 下午3:37, Kailang wrote:

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From: hwang4 <hui.wang@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 11:04 PM
To: Kailang <kailang@xxxxxxxxxxx>; Takashi Iwai <tiwai@xxxxxxx>
Cc: (alsa-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) <alsa-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re:  Dell AIO speaker pop noise


On 2019/4/16 下午10:18, Kailang wrote:
Hi Hui,

AIO was wire power cable. It doesn't include battery.
I think AIO can use power_save = 0 option.
Because codec power consumption was lower. It was 0.01W~0.02W without
work time.
How did you think?
That sounds good. But I just checked the kconfig of ubuntu bionic kernel
(4.15) , we set CONFIG_SND_HDA_POWER_SAVE_DEFAULT=0 already.  I
guess there is some package to change it to 1, in the past it was TLP package.
We could fixed in the code for AIO platform.

Is it possible the HW has some problem. The EAPD is the output pin from codec,
if there is no pull-up resistor for this pin and the codec is entering D3, what the
status is for EAPD pin? high or low? After the codec is entering D3, is the EAPD
pin open-drain output?

I don't know for hardware. ODM always test pass by Windows.
Then notice us for issue happen on Linux.
I also mention that DELL ALC225 with external AMP was not has this issue.


OK, thanks.



Thanks,

Hui.


CPU or VGA chip which power consumption was more than 20W above.

BR,
Kailang

-----Original Message-----
From: hwang4 <hui.wang@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 7:27 PM
To: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@xxxxxxx>
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Kailang <kailang@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re:  Dell AIO speaker pop noise

On 2019/4/16 下午5:43, Takashi Iwai wrote:
On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 11:31:22 +0200,
hwang4 wrote:
On 2019/4/16 下午4:59, Kailang wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 4:22 PM
To: Jaroslav Kysela <perex@xxxxxxxx>
Cc: Kailang <kailang@xxxxxxxxxxx>; hwang4
<hui.wang@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
(alsa-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) <alsa-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re:  Dell AIO speaker pop noise

On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 10:01:31 +0200, Jaroslav Kysela wrote:
Dne 16. 04. 19 v 9:30 Kailang napsal(a):
Hi Takashi,

Issue 1: The noise keeps occurring via speaker when Headset is
plugged in.
Issue 2: The humming noise is occuring when switching to sound
of
settings.
	 The noise will be stopped when switching to other options of
settings.
Issue 3: The popping noise occurred for one second when plugged
in and
removed the headset.
This patch will solve this three issues.
Hi,

      could you explain, why the power-save function causes this
behaviour? Can we do something else than turning off the
power-save codec settings to avoid such noises? I have this
question because it's really
easy to disable something, but I feel that the culprit of the
noises might be just the wrong codec settings. I guess that you
have probably full documentation for the codec and probably for
the hardware, so it might be nice to find the real culprit.

Note that power_save_node=0 doesn't mean that the whole power
saving is disabled.  It disables the fine-grained power saving,
i.e. powering down the unused widget nodes.

If so, I wonder whether this might be about the default
pin-shutup behavior.  I improved the click noise problem on my
Dell desktop by disabling the pin shutup.  See commit c0ca5eced222.
Kailang, Hui, did you try to add the chain to
ALC269_FIXUP_NO_SHUTUP?
This noise was not happen on poweroff.
AIO use external AMP. So, it will be need to have a reference
voltage via
codec.
So, Pin-ctls was not be 0. I apply option
spec->gen.suppress_auto_mute = 1
to avoid that.
Internal SPK PIN also don't enter to D3. But I find it just only
happen on
ALC274 family codecs.
ALC274 pin enter to D3. Pin-ctls also be 0. So, power_save_node=0
will let
PIN to D0.
power_save = 0 it also could solve issue.
Yes, avoid setting pinctl is only part fix, the ODM said the main
problem is the EAPD pin is high->low->high->low periodically, it
has sth to do with the widget node power state.
FWIW, there is also spec->gen.keep_eapd_on=1 that prevents the EAPD
toggle at power saving.
Got it, but does it prevent Nodes or the whole codec from entering D3?

Here the EADP is low, it is not because the set_eapd() is called, I
checked the EAPD of all nodes, they are all 0x2 all the time. And
patch_realtek already set the own_eapd_ctl=1, and the NID for speaker is
0x16, it is not in the:
       static hda_nid_t pins[] = {
           0x0f, 0x10, 0x14, 0x15, 0x17, 0
       };

So the driver will not set the eapd to 0 for speaker. If
keep_eapd_on=1 can prevent codec/nodes from entering D3, maybe it will
help.
Thanks,

Hui.

Takashi
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