You really need to understand the devs actual motivations. And your are attributing things to Fedora devels that are being funded outside of the Fedora community. Lenovo will be supporting Fedora on their laptops. They are the OEM and will provide the heavy lifting (with enterprise distributions this is also exactly how it works, the dist vendors *EXPECT* the hardware vendors to provide the heavy lifting and code. When the OEM's submit something to BZ it likely will be a fully done patch, Fedora is not "supporting" anything formally, that is unless lenovo is funding people explicitly for that. They are very likely acting as kernel developers and/or application developers for the software needed to support their hardware. This is how almost all the hardware drivers come to be written. The vendor making it writes the drivers, not generic devs paid by a distribution vendor unless it is in the distribution vendors self-interest to do so to support a large paying client. And both the radeon and nouveau drivers are being done by kernel devs that are at most only associated with Fedora. If you look up some of the various devels they are working for Companies that are using the hardware themselves internally and are funding the work, or for the companies that provide the hw. They have their own self-interest that just happens to help you. This is how the entire open source community was built, most contributers have their own self-interest first and that self-interest may or may not help you. They did not do secure boot for the reasons for free distribution Fedora. They did secure boot because a number of their paid enterprise customers require it for some of their environments. And the exact same with UEFI, a number of the enterprise customers must have UEFI, as legacy is going away. The failed Itanium hardware that existed in 2003-2010 or so was EFI boot only. Certain government contracts also require secure boot, hence those projects got funded. On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 9:11 AM Suvayu Ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 12:34 PM Roger Heflin <rogerheflin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > those workstations would be the expensive cards. A yearly redhat > > support license is enough that no one is going to buy one for a $1000 > > machine because in 3 years that license will cost more than the HW, so > > the "cheap" hardware that is being discussed like any of us would use > > isn't something they will likely run into in the enterprise market. > > There is a significant amount of HW used on this list that they simply > > will never be supporting on the enterprise end. > > You really need to keep up. For many years Fedora devs (kernel, and > bios) have spearheaded the effort to make Linux in general, and Fedora > specifically a priority on desktops and laptops. Tremendous amount of > work went into the kernel and UEFI compatibility, particularly the way > M$ was pushing for "secure boot". So much so, Fedora kernels were > controversially secure boot compatible earlier due to a (digital) > signing agreement with M$. Fedora has also contributed significantly > in making FOSS radeon drivers reliable, and advanced noveau despite > hostility from NVidia. > > As for recent developments, if Fedora doesn't want to support regular > installs, how come ThinkPads are going to be shipped by Lenovo with > Fedora pre-installed? > > https://fedoramagazine.org/coming-soon-fedora-on-lenovo-laptops/ > > And you still haven't read the BZ I linked in my OP, and going on and > on about hypothetical scenarios. Please inform yourself better. > > -- > Suvayu > > Open source is the future. It sets us free. > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
