Re: OT: force re-download in clasw-mail

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On Mon, 2018-02-26 at 21:36 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 02/26/18 20:45, Amadeus WM wrote:
> > On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 14:14:44 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > 
> > > On 02/26/18 12:24, stan wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 00:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Amadeus WM
> > > > <amadeus84@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > That's what I've been looking for, seems to be working. Thank you very
> > > > > much!
> > > > 
> > > > You're welcome.
> > > > 
> > > > > I'm glad I wasn't using IMAP.
> > > > 
> > > > No kidding.
> > > 
> > > Not sure why you say that.  I don't use claws-mail as my email client. 
> > > But the IMAP clients that I do use are set to move email "deleted" from
> > > my inbox to Trash.  So, if I make a mistake I can simply go into the
> > > Trash and pull it out.  I've never lost emails due to "user" error.
> > > 
> > > Are you saying that claws-mail is deficient in not having that sort of
> > > setting?
> > 
> > Oh, no, I didn't blame claws-mail for my error, I've preferred claws over 
> > other clients for years. With IMAP all mail is on the server and if you 
> > delete it, it's gone - unless, as you said, it's configured to go to 
> > trash. I guess that's the case most of the time so I would have been OK 
> > either way. 
> 
> I did not mean to imply that you were blaming claws-mail for the "user" error.  You
> had said "I'm glad I wasn't using IMAP" which to me seemed to indicate you thought if
> you were using IMAP it would have been impossible to recover your emails.  And that
> is simply untrue.
> 
> In the email clients I use one can configure the delete action several ways.
> 
> 1.  Immediate Deletion    (I've never seen that as the default behavior)
> 2.  Mark for later deletion.   The "expunge" command must be issued for actual
> deletion to take place.  Or set, "expunge on exit".
> 3.  Move to trash.
> 
> Since I don't have any knowledge of claws-mail, and since you seemed very happy to
> not have been using IMAP, I was wondering if claws did only #1 above which I would
> classify as a deficiency.

Claws at one time used (3) as the default. Not sure if it still does. I
remember pointing out to the devs that IMAP mail was originally
designed to use (2) so that should be the default (as it is in
Evolution) since it's a) it's more efficient in both space and time
server-side, and b) it makes it trivial to implement undelete without
having to restore a bunch of state. They said they would look into it
but I don't know if anything happened as I only flirted with Claws
briefly. However most email clients don't understand this, so AFAIK the
IMAP spec was modified to add the option of a real Trash folder.

poc
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