Re: OT: force re-download in clasw-mail

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Hello Patrick,


On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 15:53:48 +0000 Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallaghan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On Mon, 2018-02-26 at 21:36 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > On 02/26/18 20:45, Amadeus WM wrote:  
> > > On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 14:14:44 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> > >   
> > > > On 02/26/18 12:24, stan wrote:  
> > > > > On Mon, 26 Feb 2018 00:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Amadeus WM
> > > > > <amadeus84@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > >   
> > > > > > That's what I've been looking for, seems to be working. Thank you very
> > > > > > much!  
> > > > > 
> > > > > You're welcome.
> > > > >   
> > > > > > I'm glad I wasn't using IMAP.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > No kidding.  
> > > > 
> > > > Not sure why you say that.  I don't use claws-mail as my email client. 
> > > > But the IMAP clients that I do use are set to move email "deleted" from
> > > > my inbox to Trash.  So, if I make a mistake I can simply go into the
> > > > Trash and pull it out.  I've never lost emails due to "user" error.
> > > > 
> > > > Are you saying that claws-mail is deficient in not having that sort of
> > > > setting?  
> > > 
> > > Oh, no, I didn't blame claws-mail for my error, I've preferred claws over 
> > > other clients for years. With IMAP all mail is on the server and if you 
> > > delete it, it's gone - unless, as you said, it's configured to go to 
> > > trash. I guess that's the case most of the time so I would have been OK 
> > > either way.   
> > 
> > I did not mean to imply that you were blaming claws-mail for the "user" error.  You
> > had said "I'm glad I wasn't using IMAP" which to me seemed to indicate you thought if
> > you were using IMAP it would have been impossible to recover your emails.  And that
> > is simply untrue.
> > 
> > In the email clients I use one can configure the delete action several ways.
> > 
> > 1.  Immediate Deletion    (I've never seen that as the default behavior)
> > 2.  Mark for later deletion.   The "expunge" command must be issued for actual
> > deletion to take place.  Or set, "expunge on exit".
> > 3.  Move to trash.
> > 
> > Since I don't have any knowledge of claws-mail, and since you seemed very happy to
> > not have been using IMAP, I was wondering if claws did only #1 above which I would
> > classify as a deficiency.  
> 
> Claws at one time used (3) as the default. Not sure if it still does. I
> remember pointing out to the devs that IMAP mail was originally
> designed to use (2) so that should be the default (as it is in
> Evolution) since it's a) it's more efficient in both space and time
> server-side, and b) it makes it trivial to implement undelete without
> having to restore a bunch of state. They said they would look into it
> but I don't know if anything happened as I only flirted with Claws
> briefly. However most email clients don't understand this, so AFAIK the
> IMAP spec was modified to add the option of a real Trash folder.

When did you contact the Claws Mail team to discuss that point? What
was the Claws Mail version at that time? Did you file a request on the
relevant bugzilla or was it on IRC or to the users mailing-list?


Regards,

-- 
wwp

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