> It doesn`t give you choices. It leaves you in the dark about that it is somehow > possible to use an non-gui installer and to do a minimal install. It leaves you > in the dark about what exactly happens when you do the partitioning and > with trying to figure out how get the partitioning you want. As I said before, the entire installer was rebuilt to promote a more laid back approach. The user can choose the order they wish to customize / experience the GUI installation instead of being forced down a specific path. There might be a couple mandatories, but for the most part it's all about choice. A non-gui installation is not something that the majority of users will choose so it's not apparent, but if you want that method, here you go: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/20/html/Installation_Guide/ch-guimode-x86.html#idm219166212128 > Partitioning took me about three hours with the installer of F19, with a very > simple setup and not even data to preserve and neither RAID, nor > encryption, and it was only possible after I created the partitions outside the > installer. There was no way to do it with the installer, it kept saying there > isn`t enough room despite there was plenty, and it did what it wanted rather > than what I wanted. > > It was seriously awful. It would have taken 10--15 minutes with the Debian > installer. I definitely think the usability of the partitioning scheme in the current installer needs work, but as I stated earlier, I think some people are just griping about the change instead of there actually being an issue; although, it does sounds like you actually had an issue with it not detecting the correct size / free space of your drives. You might want to submit a defect, because in comparison, I have a multi-drive setup with LUKs encryption and I can have both drives wiped and start all over with encryption in less than a minute or if I want to retain one disk scheme but clobber the other it takes about 3 minutes. > > A large majority of the information from the older installer is still > > there, it's just up to the user to seek it out. > > I don`t know anything about "the older installer" or how to seek out > information about it; I didn`t even know that there is an "older installer". The > first Fedora installer I used was the one with F17. F17 had the 'old' installer. The 'new' installer was introduced in F18. > > In essence the installer went from a hardcore presentational format to > > a more laid back format - a shift every OS has consciously made in the > > last decade. > > I don`t know what you mean. The Debian installer got more options and > some more clarity which was an improvement. Otherwise it didn`t change, > you just do country and keyboard setup --- which is missing in Fedoras > installer, there was no way to tell it that I have a German keyboard --- > network setup if you don`t use DHCP, partitioning, a bit of package selection > if you want to, and then it installs. Keyboard configuration is not missing... it's one of the main hub options: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/20/html/Installation_Guide/install-hub-x86.html http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/20/html/Installation_Guide/sn-keyboard-x86.html > It`s easy and straightforward as it used to be for the last twenty years, and I > never had trouble using it. Why suddenly make installing such a PITA like > Fedoras installer does? The computer industry knows that more and more people want installations to be less scary and faster. This trend has been seen in the evolution of the Windows installer, MacOS, most Linux distros, and even iOS or Android. There are going to be some Linux distros that don't embrace this, you mentioned Debian and I'm sure slackware and Arch won't either, but in the end it's all about attracting more users to the product. The choices are there, but us hardcore users just have to look more since we're the minority. -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
