On 09/16/2013 05:41 AM, Tim wrote:
On Sun, 2013-09-15 at 10:32 -0400, Jorge Fábregas wrote:
Hey Tim, since you've been here on the list for years, I'm wondering:
What DE are you running? Did you move to GNOME Shell?
I do not like the 3.0 desktop, I find the way it expects us to use it
annoying, tedious, and unergonomic. None of my computers are iPads.
So, on Fedora and Ubuntu, I have played around with two or three methods
of making it behave like 2.0 (and I do not recall which method I used
with each). I tried to install Mate on Fedora, but Fedora 17 only had
it in a testing repo, if I recall correctly, and I didn't want to open
that can of worms. So, it's probably simply just the fallback option.
I want the traditional, organised, menus. Not screens of icons. I want
the traditional windows and workspace switchers. I want the taskbar,
and I want applications to use their own taskbar at the top of their own
window, and not behave like a Mac with top taskbar that keeps changing
between desktop taskbar and different application taskbars.
However, making 3.0 look like 2.0 doesn't get around a nasty problem or
two. 3.0 is much more CPU intensive, and I seriously doubt that I could
even get it to run on some of my older PCs. I also get that annoying "a
problem has occurred" pop-up error message each time I log on, with no
clue about *what* damn error it is, and things seem to work fine,
anyway, whatever that error was.
I avoid KDE, because I don't like it. Old Gnome's defaults were
reasonably good, I have to configure the wazoo out KDE to make it
tolerable. I don't want to do that umpteen times across several
computers, and I still don't like it's Fisherprice/WindowsXP look, it's
messy menus, and the plethora of hideously K-named applications.
I have tried, at various times, other desktops, but keep coming back to
Gnome 2.0 as the way that I wanted it to be like, and an imitation was
always half-arsed compared to using the actual thing. Several of the
lighter desktops were seriously lacking in things that I found really
annoying. Such as how removable media mounting/demounting was
cumbersome, and less automated. And things like pulseaudio being a
pain, rather than something that just worked. Plus various applications
that I wanted to use were Gnome, so using another desktop wouldn't get
around the heavy Gnome baggage.
I have to seriously wonder what goes through the minds of designers. If
you asked them to come up with a modern teacup, the handle would be on
the inside, it wouldn't stand upright, you'd need to buy new teaspoons,
and replace your dining table.
As you can see, I am slightly against it.
I do not like the Gnome-3 desktop metaphor. I still have F13, waiting
for a Gnome-2 desktop for the latest Fedora release and so far, I am
checking out F18 with MATE. It seems to work for the most part, but
there are some issues/apps that I hope will be mitigated, given time.
In my case, I started with F17 because it was the only version that could
do a fresh install (with anaconda, not with F18) on an existing partition
(having all partitions filled on four 2TB drives), then to upgrade to F18
with fedup, and it was successful. I did not want to do another fedup to
F19 because there was too many problems reported at the time.
I am still doing post installations and there are some interesting pitfalls
missing apps or ugly replacements (Caja vs Nautilus) but it seems doable
so far - it just takes time to get used to and to closely match what I had
on F13.
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