Reindl Harald <h.reindl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: > Am 09.07.2013 07:13, schrieb lee: >> Reindl Harald <h.reindl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: >> >>> Am 09.07.2013 02:46, schrieb lee: >>>>> well, here you have to make a choice as often in life >>>>> >>>>> * learn to deal with "the networking part is extremely difficult" >>>>> * take money in your hand and avoid this part >>>> >>>> None of these would solve the problem because I cannot clone my system. >>>> None of these are worthwhile because I don't really have use for a VM. >>> >>> i explained you taht you do *not* need to *clone* the system because >>> it is enough to clone *your* personal configuration > >> If you have, I must have missed it. > > read all what i wrote I did. >> How would I clone all the configuration? > > any non systemwide configuration is in your userhome > thew few systemdwide chagne if even ones in /etc > you need to know Sure, and what about the installed packages? >>> if you still think you have no need for a VM and so having a testing >>> environment nobody can help you >> >> Are you seriously expecting me to spend about EUR 200 to buy VMWare > > you missed the learn to deal with "the networking part is extremely > difficult" of KVM, your problem is you do not want to spend time > nor money which leads you nowhere > > period No, I haven't missed that at all. I'm simply refusing to go to ridiculous lengths just to upgrade Fedora. >>> not in reality >>> not in case of a linux system >>> >>> software become not more complicated >>> it became in many parts too simplified >> >> You're wrong. Just take, for example, a Linux kernel from 1995 and >> compare it with one from 2013. How much functionality has been added, >> how many more lines of code are part of the kernel from 2013 compared to >> the one from 1995? > > you missed the word reality Which is supposed to mean what? > for the ordinary enduser most things and hardware are > wroking out of the box these days Quite a bit of progress has been made in that regard. It's one of the reasons why software has become much more complicated. >> Do the same with other software that still exists, >> and even though it doesn't really give you a good picture, you'll be >> surprised. How many different CPUs are in use today, how many different >> hardware combinations? Compare that to what was available in >> 1995. > > how many hardware vendors are write opensource > drivers these days and how many big companies > are member of the Linux Foundation and supporting > Linux and how many did 1995 > > again: you missed the word "reality" What are you trying to say? >> Compare the functionality some software like Libreoffice provides >> today with what it's equivalent in 1995 provided. > > so what - i worked with "Star Office" in the 1990's > it was useable but much more buggy as LE today And it was as complicated as LO is today? >> Look at graphics cards and compare recent models of today with those >> that were recent in 1995 and try to tell anyone they aren't any more >> complicated today than they were in 1995. Same goes for other >> hardware. > > *what does this bother you as user?* Whether it bothers me or not is totally irrelevant here. >> You'll probably find that quite a lot of now common hard- and software >> is so complicated that it would have been impossible to manufacture it >> in 1995. > > so what You were saying things haven't become more complicated. I'm saying they have. >> Then make a list of soft- and hardware that wasn't commonly used or >> didn't even exist in 1995 but is common today. Look at a web browser >> from 1995 and compare its complexity with one from 2013 and try to tell >> anyone that software hasn't become more complicated since 1995. > > for the ordinary user? > clearly no! What are you trying to say here? >>>> Then look at this thread: There hasn't really been any answer to any of >>>> the questions >>> >>> because nobody and *nothing* started and starts magically >>> a dist-upgrade without making some major mistake >>> >>> this is simply not true - period >> >> Ok, so you are denying the facts > > no, i simply do not believe it Well, that's up to you. > if faced too often people enable the rawhide-repo as example > because "more is better" and all sorts of things normally > nobody would imagine that a user does for whatever reason Well, I have a file like "rpmfusion-free-rawhide.repo" in /etc/yum.repos.d/ which is there because I need the NVIDIA drivers. I was just following the instructions and have no way of knowing if there's something wrong with that or not. 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