Reindl Harald <h.reindl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes: > Am 09.07.2013 02:46, schrieb lee: >>> well, here you have to make a choice as often in life >>> >>> * learn to deal with "the networking part is extremely difficult" >>> * take money in your hand and avoid this part >> >> None of these would solve the problem because I cannot clone my system. >> None of these are worthwhile because I don't really have use for a VM. > > i explained you taht oyu do *not* need to *clone* the system because > it is enough to clone *your* personal configuration If you have, I must have missed it. How would I clone all the configuration? > if you still think you have no need for a VM and so having a testing > environment nobody can help you Are you seriously expecting me to spend about EUR 200 to buy VMWare and to somehow switch my system over to a VM just to test if upgrading Fedora would work and then to switch it back to what it was to do the actual upgrade? Or to spend a couple days to install Fedora or something else on a spare disk, get a VM to work, somehow transfer my system or all the configuration into a VM sufficiently similar to the actual system, just to see if upgrading might work? That would be ridiculous. >>> in the 1990's i had only one computer, no job and no internet at all >>> >>> [...] >>> that's why sometimes for me the FUD some spoiled people about how >>> difficult all the things today are ridiculous >> >> Guess what, things back then were a lot easier than they are now. Hard- >> and software have become much more complicated. > > not in reality > not in case of a linux system > > software become not more complicated > it became in many parts too simplified You're wrong. Just take, for example, a Linux kernel from 1995 and compare it with one from 2013. How much functionality has been added, how many more lines of code are part of the kernel from 2013 compared to the one from 1995? Do the same with other software that still exists, and even though it doesn't really give you a good picture, you'll be surprised. How many different CPUs are in use today, how many different hardware combinations? Compare that to what was available in 1995. Compare the functionality some software like Libreoffice provides today with what it's equivalent in 1995 provided. Look at graphics cards and compare recent models of today with those that were recent in 1995 and try to tell anyone they aren't any more complicated today than they were in 1995. Same goes for other hardware. You'll probably find that quite a lot of now common hard- and software is so complicated that it would have been impossible to manufacture it in 1995. Then make a list of soft- and hardware that wasn't commonly used or didn't even exist in 1995 but is common today. Look at a web browser from 1995 and compare its complexity with one from 2013 and try to tell anyone that software hasn't become more complicated since 1995. You must literally be living in a different world than I do, it's obviously more than just having resources at your disposal most ppl don't have. Did you have the hard- and software for your VMs in 1995? Since nothing has become any more complicated or more complex, you must have had them already because there isn't any reason not to. >> Then look at this thread: There hasn't really been any answer to any of >> the questions > > because nobody and *nothing* started and starts magically > a dist-upgrade without making some major mistake > > this is simply not true - period Ok, so you are denying the facts or running "yum update" is a major mistake --- or I have some strange virus that changed grubs configuration. Do you have any idea as to how I can find out what it is? -- "Object-oriented programming languages aren't completely convinced that you should be allowed to do anything with functions." http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/08/01.html -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
