On Thu, 2013-01-31 at 16:46 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 01/31/2013 04:44 AM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: > > On 01/27/2013 06:15 PM, Lailah wrote: > >> El vie, 25-01-2013 a las 22:40 +0100, Frantisek Hanzlik escribió: > >>> Joe Zeff wrote: > >>> > On 01/25/2013 12:46 PM, James Freer wrote: > >>> >> LOL - good reply! I must admit i do get fed up with the twin names. In > >>> >> the Precise version... it was very much IMprecise. Just too many bugs > >>> >> now to be worth using. > >>> > > >>> > It often seems to me that they're too concerned about making their names > >>> > cute for my taste, but I don't use it myself and keep my opinion to > >>> > myself for the most. Now, alas, it's beginning to look like Fedora's > >>> > going down that path instead of marketing itself as a serious distro for > >>> > people who are more interested in how it works than in what it's called. > >>> > Alas, from what I can see, unless I'm active as a Fedora dev (My > >>> > programming skills rusted away decades ago.) the only input I have to the > >>> > process is making suggestions. None of us "mere users" have a vote. > >>> > >>> Trend which I see in my Linux "neighbourhood" is quite transparent - > >>> people switch from Fedora elsewhere: some of them to Centos, others > >>> to different distro, some leave Linux entirely. Perhaps nobody now > >>> is using Gnome3. > > This matches with what I observe here. On my home network/personal > machines, my way to survive was to switch my home-server to CentOS and > to resort to Xfce as DE on Fedora clients. ---- myself, I use Ubuntu for server and KDE for DE on Fedora clients. At the time, installing CentOS/RHEL-5 wasn't an option any longer and Red Hat was ridiculously late delivering RHEL-6 and then CentOS took forever to get their initial build out the door. Ubuntu LTS versions are surprisingly good and I haven't regretted the move even a little. ---- > >>> I myself was not afraid install Fedora at production workstations and > >>> servers, even in their beta phase - but it ended with F12-F13 (F14 was > >>> still good distro, but in beta phase there was unworkable systemd; in > >>> final release was upstart). And now I install Fedora not before several > >>> weeks after final releas - and for testing purposes only. > >>> > >> > >> Well, is curious... I see the opposite situation. People from other > >> distros (especially Ubuntu) dropping into Fedora. May be a > >> geographic difference? > > I'd guess, it's people being dissatisfied with what they are used to, > now being on a "quest for the better". > > That said, from what I've heard and read, Ubuntu is in a similar > crisis as Fedora. What is Gnome3 in Fedora seems to be Unity in Ubuntu > (users turning away), what's the anaconda-disaster in F18 seems to be a > general stability in Ubuntu 12.10. ---- these meta discussions seem only to highlight the things one doesn't know about the other. I use both Fedora and Ubuntu. Can use either for server or desktop and can make myself generally happy with either though oddly, for servers these days, I am preferring Ubuntu and for desktop usage, I am preferring Fedora but that could easily change. In the end, there aren't significant differences. Ubuntu, you enable universe and in Fedora, you enable rpmfusion-nonfree and you get the source restricted, patent encumbered and obviously more risky stuff installed. I am reasonably certain that Ubuntu actually uses Anaconda these days and it's not an ideal installer but for server installs, it's thin and quick to get up and running. ---- > > I'm pretty much stuck for the moment until I know 18 > > is a little more stable...as for people "jumping ship" even though a few > > of the releases might have had a lot of bugs...I don't think I'll be > > leaving Fedora just yet...LoL! I will wait to see if things smooth out > > by like...19...maybe 20.... > > My 2 cents ... stability-wise, from what I've experienced so far, F17 > and F18 currently seem on par. Also, yum-upgrading existing F17 > installations to F18 went without many problems for me. > > However, installing F18 probably is a completely different matters ;) ---- yes but re-writing the installer seems to always pay dividends down the road if you try not take the minor breakage that comes with a re-write to heart. Craig -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- users mailing list users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
