On 09/24/2011 07:26 AM, Genes MailLists wrote:
> On 09/24/2011 07:46 AM, Craig White wrote:
>
>> Whether people are programmers or not is decidedly not the point here.
>> The GNOME developers have made a decision to revamp the UI to account
>> for the fact that computers are extending beyond the model borne out of
>> Xerox PARC... a keyboard, screen and mouse. They are attempting to
>> satisfy display scenarios that might be as small as a telephone to very
>> large and often multiple large displays. They are attempting to satisfy
>> the fact that keyboards and mice might be eschewed in favor of touch
>> input and gestures. They are attempting to satisfy the notion that usage
>> embraces work flow and workspace(s) and not just application launching.
> Its one thing to add tablet/phone ("metro") mode - its another to make
> laptops (or desktops) much more difficult to use.
>
>> You can't go to the Ford dealer and buy a brand new 1957 Thunderbird but
>> essentially that is what is being asked of here... an eternal version of
>> GNOME that was envisioned and started 10 years ago.
> Problem with argument by analogy is that it often makes little sense.
>
> Every car you buy still has wheels just as the very first ones did
> (support for keyboard) .. and they all have a steering wheel (a mouse)
> ... and they all have an engine and a speedometer ... what has happened
> to cars is largely additions and automation to make things easier
> (headlamps that track steering - they wisely did not remove headlamps) -
> switch to LED lights (not remove lights) ... add auto-back-off cruise
> control for collision avoidance (not force mouse to move to top left)
> ... etc ec
>> I can appreciate that long time computer users who only use a keyboard,
>> mouse and screen and little adaptability to how they interact with
>> grander concepts of work flow and workspace might want to drive the 1957
>> Thunderbird forever and if there is a sufficient number of modestly
>> skilled users, they can keep repairing the Thunderbird forever. I wish
>> them luck.
> Its not the users - its the vehicle - when I'm using a phone/tablet
> i'll use the tablet version... when I'm using my multi core server I
> have no touch sensitive screen ... when I'm flying a plane I'll use
> different controls than driving a car (or a boat). Don't force me to use
> boat controls for my plane if you don't mind :-)
>
> I would take your point really to mean we should offer a phone/tablet
> spin as well as a lap/desk top spin. The default spin ... I have no view
> ... however only having a phone spin for fedora is silly.
>
> Of course we have the other DE's which are better suited - so my
> suggestion is move Gnome-3 to a tablet spin and make KDE or LXDE or
> XFCE the desktop spin and be done with this silly bickering.
>
> Vote for which is the default spin or base it on percent of
> tablets/phones running fedora if you prefer.
>
> Gnome 3 is not -the- future - its just todays tablet spin ..
>> Then again, even the most casual reading of the intent of Fedora makes
>> it clear that it embraces the latest technology advances and those who
>> just want things to remain as they are should probably not be using
>> Fedora but something like RHEL or CentOS which provide long term
>> non-change by intent.
> One must use the right tool for the job - the "latest" here is the
> phone spin - doesn't mean we should switch that for all devices ... lets
> not pretend you're gonna hold your laptop up to your face and make a
> call ... are you? :-)
>
> gene
+1
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