On Thu, 2005-12-15 at 22:24 -0500, Jeff Spaleta wrote: > On 12/15/05, Jesse Keating <jkeating@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Things have to change. The question is do we do it now or later? > Extras NEEDS "freeze" points Why? What, in your opinion, qualifies "FC+updates" as "non-rolling" and FE as "rolling"? Except that some FE packages occasionally break on shared libraries, I don't see a basic difference between both of them. > or you are asking volunteers > to do the impossible. Being one of these volunteers, I have to tell you that for non-RH'ers, the actual current problems in maintaining FE packages isn't Extras' packages "rolling" or "Core vs. Extras", but are completely different (In priority-sorted order): 1. Rawhide volatility/instability/rolling 2. FE's buildsystem stability/reliability/usability 3. FE's package submission/maintenance infrastructure 4. Cooperation/coordination between RH and FE. 5. Absence of leadership/guidance. ... > Define what Core is suppose to be > Define what Extras is suppose to be > Define what the Core+Extras relationshiop is suppose to be > Build policies and infrastructure to support that relationship. > THEN start moving things around in the framework of that relatonship. Well, whether you like it or not, from a volunteer's point of view, this topic actually is quite trivial: "Core is the God-sent foundation", you build your house (your contributed packages to Extra) on top. Anything concerning Core is out of your control, it is God-sent. Similar considerations apply to "ordinary users": Once you have accepted the fact FE exists (Which apparently is a problem for some), it doesn't really matter if a package is in Core or Extras. The only thing that matters is "the package you are looking for is present and works sufficiently well". Also, the "how many CDs problems" isn't an actual problem to many users. All you typically need is a possibility to boot a minimial installation/upgrade (Which normally means one CD or network install bootloader), anything else is being pulled from the net afterwards. This applies to Core as well as to Extras (without having looked into the details, I would estimate at least 50% of all packages from the original FC4 release meanwhile have been updated). Ralf
