As one of the folks who was probably more on the negative side I'd still try it and was told there's a mailing list feature on discourse so it can be used similar to this if we want as users. +1 from me for giving it a chance. On June 1, 2020 3:45:21 AM CDT, Adam Samalik <asamalik@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >So I've read all the comments and I feel there are a few people for the >move and no one clearly against. But we have some concerns or >undecided, too. > >Some of the pros are that a forum is more accessible and feels more >inclusive and open to newcomers. There were also comments about mailing >lists being seen as confusing or even archaic. > >Some of you just like the idea of consolidation of our channels and are for >the change for this reason. > >Also, we had some confusion about new creating accounts or proposing other >self-hosting alternatives. I'm only proposing Discourse because Fedora >already has one, and it works with the Fedora account system: >https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/ So there are no new accounts >involved, and we won't be deploying yet another service, just using what's >already available. > >And then there was one concern about this proposal not solving the problem >with having Pagure separated. And while I kind of agree it's not solving >the disconnect directly, I believe that moving all the discussions into one >place helps people see the proposals and engage with them more. And yes, >we'll still need to make a card for each article, but it will be easier to >just see it and do it. Or we can ask the person proposing the idea to >create the card and link back to the discussion. I think that just the fact >of it being more visible helps. And the reason I propose moving to >Discourse (rather than using the mailing list for this) is the >accessibility and the ability to easily link to the discussion. > >I realize it's not a perfect solution, but I think it's the best reasonable >option we have. We're basically choosing between the following three >solutions: > >1/ Keep what we have now. Proposals in Pagure, general discussion on the >list, tracking in Taiga. >2/ Proposals AND general discussion in Discourse, tracking in Taiga. >3/ The same as 2, but using a mailing list. So proposals and discussion on >the list, and tracking in Taiga. > >Options 2 and 3 have all the discussions in one place — being it proposals >or anything else. But what I propose, option 2, is to have a place that's >more accessible, more open to newcomers or casual contributors, and easy to >link to. > >And even if we somehow automated the process of creating Taiga cards from >Pagure, or moved the proposals directly to Taiga, we'd still had discussion >on two different places, keeping the engagement on the proposals quite low >as we have it now. > > >So, to move forward, are there people strongly against? Especially those of >you who are concerned. Or are we willing to give this a shot? > >On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 9:25 AM Clement Verna <cverna@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, 27 May 2020 at 16:15, Adam Samalik <asamalik@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >>> What if we moved to Discourse [1]? >>> >>> We touched this during today's meeting [2] towards the end. >>> >>> Right now we have various things in three different places: >>> 1/ This mailing list for general discussion >>> 2/ Pagure repository [3] for article proposals and discussion around those >>> 3/ Taiga board [4] to track the editorial workflow >>> >>> Discourse would replace this mailing list and the Pagure repository, so >>> we'd have one place to discuss anything. And unlike a mailing list, we >>> could link to individual threads easily, new members could join us and see >>> all the previous discussions, etc. >>> >>> I especially like this for article proposals. More people would be able to >>> see them and comment on them, and after a proposal gets approved we could >>> easily link the thread from the Taiga card. >>> >>> Back in 2017-1018, the Forman community did a similar move [5] [6] and >>> their engagement doubled. But it's a different community and a few years >>> back, so it doesn't promise anything to us. But I still find it >>> interesting. >>> >>> What do people think? >>> >> >> I am generally +1 to move to discourse but I also don't participate that >> much in this mailing list :-) >> >> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Adam >>> >>> [1] https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/ >>> [2] >>> >>> https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2020-05-27/magazine.2020-05-27-12.01.log.html >>> [3] https://pagure.io/fedora-magazine-proposals/issues >>> [4] >>> https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban >>> [5] https://theforeman.org/2017/12/foreman-migrates-to-discourse.html >>> [6] >>> https://theforeman.org/2018/07/discourse-6-months-on-impact-assesment.html >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Adam Šamalík >>> --------------------------- >>> Senior Software Engineer >>> Red Hat >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Fedora Magazine mailing list -- magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> To unsubscribe send an email to magazine-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Fedora Code of Conduct: >>> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >>> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >>> List Archives: >>> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> >> > >-- > >Adam Šamalík >--------------------------- >Senior Software Engineer >Red Hat >_______________________________________________ >Fedora Magazine mailing list -- magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >To unsubscribe send an email to magazine-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx _______________________________________________ Fedora Magazine mailing list -- magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to magazine-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
