So I've read all the comments and I feel there are a few people for the move and no one clearly against. But we have some concerns or undecided, too. Some of the pros are that a forum is more accessible and feels more inclusive and open to newcomers. There were also comments about mailing lists being seen as confusing or even archaic. Some of you just like the idea of consolidation of our channels and are for the change for this reason. Also, we had some confusion about new creating accounts or proposing other self-hosting alternatives. I'm only proposing Discourse because Fedora already has one, and it works with the Fedora account system: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/ So there are no new accounts involved, and we won't be deploying yet another service, just using what's already available. And then there was one concern about this proposal not solving the problem with having Pagure separated. And while I kind of agree it's not solving the disconnect directly, I believe that moving all the discussions into one place helps people see the proposals and engage with them more. And yes, we'll still need to make a card for each article, but it will be easier to just see it and do it. Or we can ask the person proposing the idea to create the card and link back to the discussion. I think that just the fact of it being more visible helps. And the reason I propose moving to Discourse (rather than using the mailing list for this) is the accessibility and the ability to easily link to the discussion. I realize it's not a perfect solution, but I think it's the best reasonable option we have. We're basically choosing between the following three solutions: 1/ Keep what we have now. Proposals in Pagure, general discussion on the list, tracking in Taiga. 2/ Proposals AND general discussion in Discourse, tracking in Taiga. 3/ The same as 2, but using a mailing list. So proposals and discussion on the list, and tracking in Taiga. Options 2 and 3 have all the discussions in one place — being it proposals or anything else. But what I propose, option 2, is to have a place that's more accessible, more open to newcomers or casual contributors, and easy to link to. And even if we somehow automated the process of creating Taiga cards from Pagure, or moved the proposals directly to Taiga, we'd still had discussion on two different places, keeping the engagement on the proposals quite low as we have it now. So, to move forward, are there people strongly against? Especially those of you who are concerned. Or are we willing to give this a shot? On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 9:25 AM Clement Verna <cverna@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > On Wed, 27 May 2020 at 16:15, Adam Samalik <asamalik@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> What if we moved to Discourse [1]? >> >> We touched this during today's meeting [2] towards the end. >> >> Right now we have various things in three different places: >> 1/ This mailing list for general discussion >> 2/ Pagure repository [3] for article proposals and discussion around those >> 3/ Taiga board [4] to track the editorial workflow >> >> Discourse would replace this mailing list and the Pagure repository, so >> we'd have one place to discuss anything. And unlike a mailing list, we >> could link to individual threads easily, new members could join us and see >> all the previous discussions, etc. >> >> I especially like this for article proposals. More people would be able to >> see them and comment on them, and after a proposal gets approved we could >> easily link the thread from the Taiga card. >> >> Back in 2017-1018, the Forman community did a similar move [5] [6] and >> their engagement doubled. But it's a different community and a few years >> back, so it doesn't promise anything to us. But I still find it >> interesting. >> >> What do people think? >> > > I am generally +1 to move to discourse but I also don't participate that > much in this mailing list :-) > > >> >> Cheers, >> Adam >> >> [1] https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/ >> [2] >> >> https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2020-05-27/magazine.2020-05-27-12.01.log.html >> [3] https://pagure.io/fedora-magazine-proposals/issues >> [4] >> https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban >> [5] https://theforeman.org/2017/12/foreman-migrates-to-discourse.html >> [6] >> https://theforeman.org/2018/07/discourse-6-months-on-impact-assesment.html >> >> -- >> >> Adam Šamalík >> --------------------------- >> Senior Software Engineer >> Red Hat >> _______________________________________________ >> Fedora Magazine mailing list -- magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> To unsubscribe send an email to magazine-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Fedora Code of Conduct: >> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ >> List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines >> List Archives: >> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> > -- Adam Šamalík --------------------------- Senior Software Engineer Red Hat _______________________________________________ Fedora Magazine mailing list -- magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to magazine-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
