On 16 December 2015 at 23:04, Remy DeCausemaker <decause@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 12:19 PM, pravin.d.s@xxxxxxxxx > <pravin.d.s@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> On 16 December 2015 at 21:07, Patrick マルタインアンドレアス U >> <puiterwijk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>>> >>>> For this purpose and in line with [1], we were thinking of Fedora >>>> Globalization steering committee. I have created initial proposal for >>>> it. [2] >>> >>> Would it instead be an idea to instead of forming a new committee next to the current Internationalization (i18n) >>> Fedora subproject, extend that subproject to g11n? >> >> In fact i think that was idea earlier. I18n group is more active with >> Fedora development life cycle. Merge two groups under G11N initiative >> and synchronise plus points. i.e. More language experts in L10N and >> more developers aligned with Fedora development life cycle in i18n. >> >> But after executing it for 6 months, i feel though there are few >> points to synchronize, there are also number of different topics which >> just required sub-group level attention. More L10N and more i18n >> expertise. >> >> So rather than complete merge of activities, just collaborate on >> common requirement points under G11N governance/committee group make >> sense. I think that should be goal of G11N steering committee. As >> given in proposal, it will have members from respective groups. >> >>> Otherwise, I would personally be a bit confused if I were to contribute to internationalization: would that be the >>> i18n subproject, or the g11n subproject (which per definition as far as I understood includes i18n)? >> >> With new structure. We will have full fledges groups i18n, l10n, QE. >> Issues required collaboration or higher level attention should get >> handled by people with different expertise where G11N group comes into >> picture. >> >>> >>> I do agree that a steering committee directing this subproject would be a good idea, but I think that the proposal >>> is a bit underspecified at this moment: "To drive Fedora globalization by providing governance and community >>> activity support for Internationalization, Localization and Zanata group." is a very broad, marketing-sounding goal >>> in my opinion, and not very clear. >> >> Agree. I think we need to work further on improving proposal. Added >> sentence regarding its Draft status. :) >> >>> What kinds of things do we want the FGSCo to be governing? >>> Would that be things like working with QE to add test cases/release criteria, get more contributors, organize >>> events, ...? >>> Probably best to expand a bit more, especially if you're also planning to raise funds. >> >> +1 I saw Localization steering committee objectives was very well >> explained. [1] We need to further work on it. >> >>> >>> Also, I am doubtful whether some of these goals are in order for the g11n team, especially: "Raising funds & Budget planning" >>> and "Event planning in region/country". I think we should probably ask help from Ambassadors for these parts, since they >>> are supposed to have experience with these kinds of things. And while I realize that a lot of g11n people might be ambassadors, >>> I am not sure whether we need another committee responsible for all this. (note: this is based on some expectations from me regarding >>> goals for this committee, see previous point). >> >> Good point. !! >> For getting fund/budget for G11N activities, we need to work with >> Council, Ambassadors/FAMSco group. I am active Ambassadors from last >> one year and learned number of activities get planned during budgeting >> process. G11N activities i.e. FAD, L10N sprints are presently missing >> from it. >> >> Ambassadors are experts in there country and with the help of >> Ambassadors we can try to grow L10N community in respective regions. >> We can plan and organize events like L10N sprint specifically in APAC >> regions, there is good scope to grow community with such activity. >> >> This is started happening already with different Ambassadors taking >> active role in it. >> >>>> >>>> Its open for feedback, please feel free to share other active members, >>>> discuss in your respective language groups. This is just initial >>>> proposal and i am sure, we can improve and make it more effective with >>>> active participation. >>> >>> Thank you for getting this process in motion, would be great to see g11n gain more ground in Fedora! >> >> I will rather say thanks for support :) >> In present situation G11N will become successful only when we will >> have active L10N community, like we had during 2009. We already have >> number of active members and i am sure with all, will find way to make >> L10N again active. >> >> Regards, >> Pravin Satpute > > I am admittedly not deeply involved in these *vital* parts of Fedora, > but I would like to help where I can. > > Please keep me in the loop, as I'm happy to help with coordinating and > communicating at the Council/FAMSCo level, as > localization/internationalization/translation/globalization move > forward together. > > Happy to help, Thank you. This is really motivating. :) If we get consensus, we will propose this idea to council for approval. - Pravin -- i18n mailing list i18n@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/i18n
