On Tue, 2011-01-11 at 08:35 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 01/11/2011 08:21 AM, Jon Masters wrote: > > there are far too many of them, and the churn is high. > Makes me wonder how I manage to keep my servers alive ;) Because you are doing manual updates and customizing the install :) > Seriously: As first step, I usually try to slim down server > installations to the "absolutely required minimum" - This alone keeps > off a lot of the churn and of the potential breakage. This is a good idea. I would also remove a lot of bits from a server install. I generally add a large number of wildcard exclude items to my yum config covering a few particular sets of packages I don't want to use either. But that's not an "out of the box" experience :) > Also, I don't "automatically install updates", but am installing them > during "manual maintenance". I am experiencing occasional issues with > updates, but am rarely experiencing serious ones. I would also do the same on a server, but this is not practical for a real world deployment. It's fun at home, on a personal colo box, or for a small number of non-critical machines. It is not, however, fine for something you need to just be able to update on the fly. I personally also never do distribution upgrades to new releases. I only re-install from scratch, which affords me a convenient set of backup disks, and avoids the kinds of problems I've had in three different releases. > All in all, in reality, the updates aren't much of a problem. I disagree. As it stands, the only machine I have automatically deploying updates is my dedicated rawhide netbook, which I expect to break randomly (that's why I bought it). But we've done this before. Jon. _______________________________________________ advisory-board mailing list advisory-board@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/advisory-board
