On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 18:54 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 21:38 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: > > On 01/23/2014 09:12 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Thu, 2014-01-23 at 20:50 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: > > > > > >> Okay. I'm not sure if I understand the first problem - can one layout > > >> only be listed under one language/locale? And the Belgian layout was > > >> only shown under Dutch instead of Belgian? > > > > > > There isn't a language called 'Belgian', but there is a Belgian keyboard > > > layout. (This isn't the only example). > > > > Oh hm. Would organizing via locales rather than languages help? > > I haven't investigated in entirely sufficient detail to answer that > authoritatively, but what I suspect is that there are cases where either > will lead to an unexpected result. (At present, the code falls back on > associating a layout with a locale only if it has no associated > language). There are some layouts that have no associated language but have an associated country. So we will probably have to end up mixing languages and countries in the list. > > > Is that > > what Vratislav's mockup is doing? > > I believe instead it's about making it more feasible to list layouts as > associated with multiple languages. In the mockup the 'Crimean Tatar; > Crimean Turkish' and 'Divehi; Dhivehi; Maldivian' entries are intended > to illustrate this, I *think*. Those are the "official" names of the languages from the iso-codes package not multiple languages concatenated on our side. But yes, with two-level selection it is more feasible to find the layout where you are looking for it. > > If I'm right, now I consider it, I have two criticisms to offer: > > 1. Belgian people probably don't think of their layout as being > associated with any particular language. That's the *point* of the > Belgian layout, after all, I guess - to be appropriate (or at least > usable) for inputting either or both of Belgium's national languages > (French and Dutch). So I would hazard a guess that Belgian people would > consider the Belgian layout as associated with the country Belgium, not > with any of the three languages xkeyboard-config denotes it as being > associated with. Displaying its association with all three languages > rather than just one is probably *less bad*, and less potentially > divisive, but probably still not *the best possibility*. Of course, > we're well aware that achieving the 'best possibility' for every damn > case here, without special databases, is damn hard. :) > > (FWIW, I did 5 minutes of Google research and found the Belgian layout > is pretty similar to French and may be considered rather more useful for > typing French than Dutch...but if any Belgians are reading, do chip in. > If you want to A/B French and Belgian layouts, see > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KB_France.svg and > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Belgian_pc_keyboard.svg ) Still there are complains (and you've found those bugs) that people are searching for "Belgian" in our list of available layouts. > > 2. If you're looking for a language which is part of one of these > 'multiple' entries and isn't the first one, how are you going to find > it? Explained above -- those are not 'multiple' entries on our side, but language names coming from the iso-codes package. -- Vratislav Podzimek Anaconda Rider | Red Hat, Inc. | Brno - Czech Republic _______________________________________________ Anaconda-devel-list mailing list Anaconda-devel-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/anaconda-devel-list
