Thanks for the reply! Pls. read on. On 161116-16:29+0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 14:48:23 +0100, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > >"build your own Firefox with ALSA enabled" > > libpulse is just a make dependency, but even if it should be installed, > it doesn't matter. > > https://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/firefox/ > https://git.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/trunk?h=packages/firefox > > I'm using Firefox on Arch Linux without pulseaudio. > > [weremouse@moonstudio archlinux]$ sudo systemd-nspawn -q pacman -Qi firefox pulseaudio libpulse | grep Na -A2 > Failed to create directory /mnt/archlinux/sys/fs/selinux: Read-only file system > Failed to create directory /mnt/archlinux/sys/fs/selinux: Read-only file system > Name : firefox > Version : 50.0-1 > Description : Standalone web browser from mozilla.org > -- > Name : pulseaudio > Version : 2013.08.18-1 > Description : Dummy package > -- > Name : libpulse > Version : 9.0-1 > Description : A featureful, general-purpose sound server (client library) > > To use Firefox without pulseaudio, I never needed to build it myself. > Even not on other distros, but Arch is my everyday Linux and I anyway > try to stay away from Firefox, so often it's not installed. If Palemoon had the SSL network reading capability which goes with the NSS library (which is doesn't use), and also if it had tracking protection, which I didn't get an answer if it does, pls. see here if the issue is of interest: Tracking protection and NSS SSL secrets logging (two security questions)? https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=12544 ( and I also didn't get a reply on that question from a Gentoo developer: https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-user/message/e477468df3d078681b5727aec0a054b3 ) I may have switched... But I need those, and surely I don't trust Schmoogle the Goog, the spying company, to give over my browsing to them, so no Chrom{e,ium}, thanks! (it's only Firefox and Chrome, IIUC, that have [N]etwork [S]ecurity [S]ervices $SSLKEYLOGFILE capability)... > [weremouse@moonstudio archlinux]$ ls -hAl /usr/local/bin/firefox; apt list qupzilla; lsb_release -d > lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Jan 12 2016 /usr/local/bin/firefox -> icecat > Listing... Done > qupzilla/xenial,now 1.8.9~dfsg1-3 amd64 [installed] > Description: Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I have to admit I mostly do not understand your listing and grep'ing, since those are Arch-specific. But also I'll kindly disagree with where Archlinux is going, with the imposition of Systemd... It's so hard to have an Arch system without switching to poetterware... It *is* possible, I encountered a link (can't search fro it now) from some maverick Arch developer, and surely I would follow him, if I had been Arch user... [It hard to have an Arch system without switching to poetterware], which poetterware is the stuff, most if not all of it, that the one-ring-to-rule-them-all cravers begot. Those cravers who are also the moneythrowers on what was once Free Open Source... to corrupt FOSS and subserve it to their goals... And what was once Free Open Source Software, is not really so anymore, not from the inside, it's not! But only serves their own craving interests... Which are pretty clear what those interests are for a thinking person in the Total Surveillance Age that we live in... They are: control. So, Archlinux is blossoming... great tutorials and all-encompassing support... but only if you switch the entire way to systemd and associates... What has become of FOSS/GNU Linux??!!... It's so sad to see... I'm a Gentoo FOSS/GNU Linux user. And there is some room for non-poetterware in Gentoo, there really is! The default is still OpenRC, which is even D-Bus free, hey do you read what I just wrote! D-Bus free! as dbus is the entrance point of Systemd... See for yourself: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Comparison_of_init_systems Tangentially, this whole post of mine is still within the topic, since ALSA, in my view, and many others', is still true FOSS, while Pulse is not. Just one last thought. In the Sureveillance Age that we live in, in which everybody carries appliances that state spies, and world spies like Google, can all listen to ( at any later date, they just locate where any event that you took part in, private or public, they don't have any consideration, the most private events included, any event, as they have all in their databases, years later if they want to, and apply a search on it just like the Google users --I keep to duckduckgo.com-- search in their browsers, and in this case it's searching through sound, and they find whatever they search for, in their databases of recordings... ), in this Surveillance Age we live in, you now tell me what Pulseaudio is for, with all the remote seats --sure they may have renamed those, I do not follow their development in the least anymore-- of some policykit's and stuff? You tell me! Alsa is not like that. Alsa is something I still can trust... And FOSS Linux, the true Unix FOSS Linux, meaning without poetterware, is where, and by means of which, we all must rebel and not allow total spying on us! Sincere regards! -- Miroslav Rovis Zagreb, Croatia http://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr
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