Re: McIntosh D100 DAC

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B, list;


On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 12:52 PM, BHdeC <normandviking@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
chris hermansen <clhermansen <at> gmail.com> writes:

>
> B, list;
> On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 8:30 AM, BHdeC <normandviking <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> chris hermansen <clhermansen <at> gmail.com> writes:
> >
> > BHdeC, list;
> > On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 6:06 PM, BHdeC <normandviking <at>
gmail.com>wrote:Jonas Kvinge <linuxtv <at> closetothewind.net> writes:
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I got a McIntosh D100 DAC, it works but sometimes the sounds stops and
> > > starts a few milliseconds (small pauses). I got the problem when playing
> > > music in Clementine (FLAC files) and youtube videos. I can play many
> > > songs fine without any problems so its very periodical. It might happen
> > > only 1-2 times in a day.
> > > I had a Electrocompaniet EC-2 DAC for a while and I think it had some of
> > > the same issues, but I think it used the same driver also.
> > >
> > > Kernel is 3.12.6 custom compiled
> > > Distribution is opensuse 13.1, pulseaudio is removed from the system.
> > >
> > Hi Jonas,
> > I have a very similar setup than you and I also have issue with my DAC.
> > I have a genuine OpenSuse 13.1 install, without pulseaudio, ALSA only setup.
> > I use JRiver MediaCenter19 and here is what I get. I can play 1 track no
> > problem. I can play any other track IF the sample rate is identical then the
> > first track.
> > If the sample rate is different, nothing is played. I have to kill JRiver
> > and restart.
> > I worked around for a test by resampling all to 192k and it worked. But I
> > don't want to do that.
> >
> >
> > I don't know about Jonas' problem, but B you might find that your software
> is set to mix the last few seconds of the song currently playing with the
> first few seconds of the following song.
> >
>
>
> Yes I thought about that before and set a gap of 1 second between tracks:
> same result.
> So I upgraded my kernel to the latest 3.14 on OpenSuse 13.1 and the behavior
> is different.
> I still can not play tracks with different sample rate but if I stop the
> play with mediacenter and start it again, it works.
>
>
> What happens when you use aplay to play a (say) 44.1/16 and when it is
done play a (say) 96/24?  Does that work?
>
> Back when I was using the Schiit through USB I had problems getting that
transition to work.
>
> Also maybe try a different media player (I suggest Guayadeque because I
know you can talk directly to Alsa and you can turn off the track "blending"). 
>
>
>
>
> It's far from perfect, but better an a way.
> I see in messages this message when I try to play the first time:
> linux-htpc kernel: [ 7476.413271] ALSA sound/usb/clock.c:391 current rate
> 96000 is different from the runtime rate 44100
>
>
> You might want to look at the source above.  This rings a bell for me. 
You might see some code to do something like a stream close / open; maybe
it's not happening with your device?
>
>
>
> When I stop the play:
> linux-htpc kernel: [ 7576.789042] ALSA sound/core/pcm_native.c:1544 playback
> drain error (DMA or IRQ trouble?)
> Then when I play again, it works fine without further logs.
> The guys at JRiver think it is a firmware error. I doubt that.
>
>
> Erm... well there are other things to try before blaming the firmware.
>
>
>
>
> So I have no more idea in mind to carry on my investigation.
>
>
> -- Chris Hermansen · clhermansen "at" gmail "dot" comC'est ma façon de parler.
>

Chris,

That was a good idea. So I played 2 files with different sampling rate in
one go with aplay and it worked no problem.
The DAC displayed the correct sample rate and transitioned nicely. So my
system can play 2 different files.

For the error,
I looked at the source and it seems like the driver is setting the new rate
to the DAC via a USB control message, then ask for the rate back as a
confirmation, but does not get what it set just.

But there is a comment that "some devices do not respond to sample rate
change while active" and they do something like a reset of the device but I
am not sure.

So IMO the problem lies in the player in my specific configuration.

Seems a correct assumption?


Time to try guayadeque :-)

What you are saying rings a bell... ie that the application may need to close and re-open in the event of a format change.  But I also suggest taking a look at the alsa source.  Could be that your device needs a bit of a tweak there to make that happen automagically...

I don't know much about JRiver but given that their source code is not available one is not able to see what's going on under the hood.



--
Chris Hermansen · clhermansen "at" gmail "dot" com

C'est ma façon de parler.
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