On Sun, Oct 02, 2022 at 07:37:38PM +0000, Artem S. Tashkinov wrote: > On 10/2/22 14:48, Slade Watkins wrote: > >> On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:49 AM, Artem S. Tashkinov <aros@xxxxxxx> wrote: > >> As I've said many times already: bugzilla must be an opt-out, not opt-in > >> experience/option. > >> > >> Let's subscribe the past six months of developers using git commits and > >> if someone doesn't like getting emails they go to the website and > >> unsubscribe _once_ which takes a minute. This is a non-issue I've no > >> clue why we're dwelling on it. > > > > I disagree with this in its *entirety* and I really don’t think it > > has any chance of moving forward. > > > > If this were to happen (and it won’t!) then developers will just > > send the emails to spam or some other filter because they didn’t > > _consent_ to being subscribed to it. And in my opinion, they’d be > > justified in doing that. > > It was a proposal from no one, i.e. me. > > The other option will be what? To _mass email_ everyone asking them to > subscribe to bugzilla? Do you know what will happen? 2/3 of relevant > people will forget about/neglect this email, they will never sign up > even if they are willing to and we'll end up with a disfunction bugzilla > again. > > It feels to me we are back to: > > "Users are expected to break their necks finding random mailing lists > and sending their reports to them expecting feedback". > > 95% of users will just give up. > > 4.95% of users will not receive any feedback: the developer has been > busy with their work, life, past time, etc - "Sorry, missed your email". > > Maybe 0.05% bug reports will be actually dealt with. > > Again this does not work for serious collaborations requiring multiple > people over extended periods of time. It absolutely sucks in terms of > filling in the missing details. > > I begin to sound like a broken record repeating what we've already > discussed to death a dozen times. > > Let's deprecate bugzilla and just say "f it". That's what I hear. Great! > > No responsibility, no bug reports, no fixes, welcome regressions. > > I concur. This discussion has been a complete waste of time. Do you realize how insulting this is, for all the developers and maintainers who spend lots of their free time doing their best ? It's all very nice to complain and rant, but if you want things to move forward, lead the effort and work on it. -- Regards, Laurent Pinchart
