I get almost nothing but spam from these lists (trn-{workers,users}@clari.net), and a significant proportion of what spam I do get comes through them. They effectively form an open relay, and it would seem that they have become a favourite target for spammers. If these two lists remain unmoderated and open to non-members to post after this weekend, I'm unsubscribing, sorry. The frequent spam is not worth the infrequent chance to learn about and help with trn. Nick _______________________________________________________________ Don't miss the 2002 Sprint PCS Application Developer's Conference August 25-28 in Las Vegas -- http://devcon.sprintpcs.com/adp/index.cfm