On Friday 08 October 2021 18:20:45 Michael wrote: > On Friday 08 October 2021 05:25:21 pm Edward wrote: > > On 10/8/21 6:10 PM, William Morder via tde-users wrote: > > > To quote myself: > > > "It doesn't have to be xmpp/jabber. That might not be quite the right > > > tool for the job; but I am pretty sure there must be something similar > > > in concept that would serve our needs." > > > > > > My original suggestion was simply that we move toward using encryption > > > for the TDE mailing list. It was Michael's idea to create > > > public/private keys for the list. However, that was rejected as too > > > user-unfriendly for noobs, which may be true. > > > > > > It seems to me that some people just cannot be content until they have > > > their privacy thoroughly violated and the entire human race is turned > > > into slaves. Resistance is futile! We will all be assimilated! > > > > > > So what is it to be, then? I don't especially care about what tool we > > > use, but we ought to decide to move toward something better. > > > > > > Stripping email headers might at least be a good place to start. I > > > can't tell how many email I have accidentally sent to private email > > > addresses (or received them) just because people don't think to check > > > before they hit send. > > > > > > Bill > > > > I don't have an issue with the current e-mail list. I think it's good to > > have, plus there is that reference kept online, if someone accidentally > > deletes an e-mail. > > > > Regarding encryption, I have seen OpenPGP icons in Thunderbird from some > > of the e-mails coming in from the list, but have no idea how to set that > > up. I also don't know if there is way to set it up so that it only > > applies to the e-mail list and not to other e-mails. > > AFAIK it should be possible to make one key pair and share both keys with > the whole list, just for use with this list. Everyone sends on the public > key and everyone decodes on the private key. Yes, it technically violates > the concept of key pairs, but we're just trying to keep the list’s content > from being easily [data collected] and [censored] by [automated data > collecting] mail providers(/entities). > > I’m going to presume that any list encryption is pointless if someone > installs the key pair on anything except a local mail client. E.g if > someone installs the key pair on their google web mail interface… (I > didn’t think of this until later.) > > That presumption is why I suggested a forum type of replacement for the > user lists. I’m not that up on current ‘stuff’ so pretty much anything > that eliminates [automated data collecting] being easily tied to a > particular person and/or an entity being able to [censor] participation > works for me. > > I don’t think there is any sort of perfect solution (maybe a tor onion > site, but ugh, that wouldn’t be user friendly at all.). > > Best, > Michael > > PS: I’m using [] around concepts, interchange with any type of ‘bad’ > activity you want. I also sort of expected that we might keep the list, make it totally encrypted, and try to keep it more technical and less off-topic and rambling in nature. As for the potential problem of shared keys being used for Google webmail interface (thus spoiling whatever benefits of using encryption?), this gives us reason to pause and consider. As for jabber, I was supposing that we might use some other feature besides simple chat (although that would be possible between individuals). The jabber servers support a lot of other things, including discord, IRC and multi-user chat. (I wonder if it would support Matrix, etc.?) We might run a few tests to try out different ideas, just to see what might work. And by the way, we don't have to decide right this minute; but it makes sense that we move toward some such solution. Consider the alternative: that we leave ourselves -- our data, our hasty remarks or cranky weirdness or unpopular beliefs -- just hanging there like ripe fruit, waiting for some bot or spook to harvest them. Bill ____________________________________________________ tde-users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Web mail archive available at https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
