Re: xfree on Redhat 8

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> On Sat, 3 Jan 2004, Tim Currie wrote:
>
>>   Once the XFre86 rpms are installed, you've got a command prompt, the
>>
>>output of "lspci" and the specs for your monitor in hand, just type
>> "xf86config". Carefully read and answer all the questions, and at the
>> end you should have a functional config located in
>>"/etc/X11/XF86config". You can do this as many times as you like, but
>> remember to save a working (even if only a little) XF86Config before
>> running xf86config again, as it will overwrite it.
>
> xf86config is not shipped with Red Hat Linux anymore.  This is
> mainly because it generates config files that generally contain a
> lot of bogus configuration, or stuff that is plain broken.  I
> don't remember if I shipped xf86config in Red Hat Linux 8.0 or
> not, however I seriously discourage anyone from using it.
> Always use redhat-config-xfree86 instead.
>
>
>>   And speaking of antiquated, as a general rule, it's a recipe for
>>disaster to use a release of an OS that pre-dates any of your hardware.
>>  You might want to consider going with RedHat 9, or even Fedora Core.
>> Although, Fedora is very much a work in progress, and even when you do
>> everything right it still falls on it's face once in a while. It's that
>>  whole bleeding-edge thing. :)
>
> Fedora is no more of a work in progress as Red Hat Linux 9 or Red
> Hat Linux 8.0 were.  The same development principles were
> employed during the development of all OS releases.  The Fedora
> Project itself is of course a work in process, but Fedora Core 1
> is a finished and completed OS release, not a work in progress.
> Fedora Core 2 is the current work in progress.  All versions of
> all OS distributions fall flat on their face once in a while, and  it
> has nothing to do with bleeding edge, but rather with the fact  that an
> OS distribution contains an enormous amount of software
> which was written by literally tens of thousands of different
> people all around the world, and it is impossible for it to ever
> be 100% bug free.
>
> Fedora OS releases will be a bit more bleeding edge than were Red  Hat
> Linux OS releases, but don't let that trick you into thinking  it's a
> lesser finished result.  For every person you find that
> has tonnes of problems with any OS release, there are several
> people who use the same release with zero major problems.  Myself  being
> on the receiving end of bug reports here at Red Hat, I can
> say with complete certainty, that Fedora Core 1 has generated far  less
> bug reports to date than any previous OS release, at least
> for the packages that I personally maintain (including XFree86).
>
> So forgive me if I sound a bit defensive, but I prefer to view
> Fedora as "stable, but more current" rather than "unstable
> bleeding edge" like some people seem to think it is, mostly based  upon
> misunderstanding of the Fedora Project and it's goals.
> Nonetheless, I believe the truth of the matter will become clear
> to all with each new OS release.
>
>
>>   Hope this helps! If any of it is too vague, ask and I'll try again.
>>If you get stuck further into the process, post the output of lspci and
>>  the contents of your XF86Config file (if any) and I'll see if I can
>> help.
>
> and the X server log.  ;o)
>
Hi Mike!
  No offense intended on the whole "work-in-progress" thing. I realize how
hard you guys are working and you certainly don't need nit-wits like me
taking cheap shots at you. I'm one of the unlucky ones who has tons of
problems: Since becoming involved with RedHat last summer I've installed
9.0 literally hundreds of times, both manually and using various
kickstart configurations (I'm involved in HPCC development at MIT), and
aside from some really bizarre stuff relating to gigabit ethernet
link-up latency, I've never had any kind of problem with it that wasn't
my own stupid fault. During my recent attempts to install it on my new
laptop Fedora Core 1, on the other hand, demonstrated what I can only
describe as non-deterministic behaviour. Granted, I was installing it on
brand-new hardware with a new, largely unsupported
everything-under-the-sun in it, but still: simply rebooting into the
installer repeatedly, always supplying the same parameters, produced as
many different results as the number of times I had the patience to to
sit through it. You guys should see if you can talk Dell into
giving/loaning you one of the new Inspirons for edge-case testing. :)

Anyway, keep up the good work, and sorry for any ruffled feathers.

Watch closely: this is me keeping my big mouth shut. ;)

-Tim



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