On Sun, 9 Jun 2002, Mike A. Harris wrote: > On Thu, 6 Jun 2002, Matthew Saltzman wrote: > > >+That would be a bug in Acrobat Reader itself, not in XFree86. XFree86 has > >+absolutely nothing to do with that sort of thing. Also, we do not ship > >+acroread, and as such do not support it either. You need to contact Adobe > >+if you've discovered an acroread bug. > > > >Yes, I know that, but I am at a loss to explain why it only seems to > >happen with the Radeon driver. I know we don't have access to the > >acroread source, and I'm certainly not a graphics programmer, but I > >don't understand why acroread's behavior would be driver-dependent. Does > >anyone have a suggestion about that? (I ask the mailing list because > >acroread is not officially supported. > > You claim this only happens with the Radeon driver. While that > may be the case for you, I use acroread daily as part of my work, > and all of my main machines have Radeon hardware 99% of the time. > > I've never even once encountered the problem you describe, and if > I had, I'd immediately assume it to be an acroread problem, or > poor interaction between Acroread (which is a Motif application), > and the window manager. > > > >+Also, just to note - I use Acroread daily, and do not have this problem. > > > >Yes, so do I, and I only have the problem with the Radeon driver (this > >machine is my only Radeon). So one of the following must apply: > > > >(a) Mike hasn't used it in full screen mode. (I hadn't until I went to > >project a slide show created with LaTeX. I ended up doing the projection > >using that other OS.) > > I use all applications _only_ maximized, so that isn't the case. As another poster pointed out, full-screen mode is not the same as maximized. Full-screen mode is for projecting, and it doesn't have any window decorations, backgrounds, buttons, menus, etc. > >(b) Mike hasn't tried it in full screen mode with the Radeon driver (or if > >he's tried it with another Radeon card, then not on the same machine I > >use). > > Again, I only use applications maximized. You were quite clear > about it being maximized also. Again, not maximized. Open a document in acroread, then type <Ctrl>-L or pull down the View menu and select "Full screen". It's the fact that "full screen" means an unadorned, full-sized window with a black background that made me think they might be communicating directly with X rather than through the window manager. > >(c) I'm imagining it. > > > >So any suggestions, verification, etc., would be welcome. If it is > >plausibly an acroread bug, I will certainly file it with Adobe. > > I never claimed you're imagining it. I just classify the problem > as a non-video-driver problem. The video driver draws graphics > on the screen. Doesn't matter what video driver you're using, > the problem you are describing is at a layer that is not internal > to the video driver used. It is at a higher level which is > outside X, namely the window manager and/or libraries the > application uses. > > You can continue to think it is a Radeon driver bug if you like, > but that wont get you any closer to a solution. We've seen confirmation in this list and/or valhalla-list that it actually happens, and (so far) only with the Radeon drivers, and in both KDE and Gnome. As a certifiable(!) non-expert on video drivers, I defer to your expertise on this point. I have posted to the Acrobat Reader support group, but I haven't seen any followups yet. I did discover that the window is moveable with <Alt>-<Button1>-<Drag>, so at least I have a workaround. Thanks. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs@clemson.edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs
