On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Paul Whitney <paul.whitney@xxxxxxx> wrote: > Well they may not be all that, but it does have a lot more rigor than > say an MCSE. I thought the RHCE exam was pretty tough because of the > written and practicals portion. I have actually considered it just > because of the practical side would tend to be more credible than just a > cram jam. > > I am not a sysadmin and do not do this stuff everyday, but would still > like the cred just because I do work on it from an integration > perspective. > > P. > > On Fri, 2008-08-22 at 07:59 -0700, Troy wrote: > > Any manager that doesn't know the difference between a good sysadmin > > and one with a bunch of certificates, is a manager you don't want to > > work for. > > > > Having said that, if they're paying for it, you might as well take it. > > My manager wanted me to take it, and it was the most ridiculous thing > > I've ever seen. Now, anyone who boasts about the fact that they are > > RHCE certified, gets put into a very special category in my book. > > > > > > On Aug 22, 2008, at 6:24 AM, hike wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:38 AM, mark <m.roth2006@xxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > >> Johan Booysen wrote: > > >>> My employer wants me to look into gaining the RHCE certification. > > >> <snip> > > >> Only if your employer is paying. Otherwise, well, we've had > > >> discussions > > >> here > > >> before, and it's not more important than actually knowing/learning > > >> the job > > >> on > > >> your own (books/co-workers/google HOWTOs/etc). > > >> > > >> mark > > >> > > >> -- > > >> redhat-list mailing list > > >> unsubscribe mailto:redhat-list-request@xxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe > > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list > > >> > > > > > > > > > MGRS are generally NOT technical. > > > MGRS use certification, training classes as a way to judge their > > > work-force. > > > > > > Certifications help MGRS within the business organization whether > > > they are > > > looking for status (I've got all RHCEs on my staff), or quick > > > approval (all > > > the engineers recommend), or avoiding nitpicking people (the RHCE > > > all said > > > this is the way to go). > > > > > > If you have certification, you help your MGR get her/his job > > > accomplished! > > > > > > Certs may mean nothing to a sysadmin but certs are very important to > > > your > > > MGR. > > > Don't you want to help your MGR accomplish his task, show support for > > > her/him, etc.? > > > > > > Certs are a game that sysadmin canNOT afford to skip. > > > > > > On the plus side, certs will get you jobs and more money. > > > My Solaris sysadmin Certification brings in at least $10K more a > > > year. At > > > my site, I am the highest paid sysadmin because of my certs (a college > > > degree puts me in the senior category; the certs make me the biggest > > > earner). The real UNIX guru, with 5-10 more years of experience and > > > a much > > > larger skill set, dreams of making what I make. (I recommended him > > > for my > > > current position; my employer picked little, old, certified me.) > > > > > > Skipping certs is a fool's game! > > > > > > > > > I paid for my own RHCT training--class, hotel, car, meals, and took > > > a week > > > without pay. Passed the RHCT test. Put in on my company's website > > > form. > > > Now I am recognized as certified. > > > > > > If you need a cert, get it; if you have to pay for it, get it. It > > > is your > > > career not your MGR's or your employer's career. Just like college, > > > once > > > you get your bachelor's, you don't have to get it again and it is a > > > constatnt source of money. (The $10K it cost me for college has > > > provided > > > $100Ks for me. Currently, it pays about $10K per year that similarily > > > skilled sysadmins without a backelor's don't get.) > > > > > > Being penny wise and pound foolish is also a fool's game! > > > > > > Fools give bad advice. > > > -- > > > redhat-list mailing list > > > unsubscribe mailto:redhat-list-request@xxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list > > > -- > > Paul M. Whitney, VCP > Sr. Systems Engineer > Worldwide Information Network Systems (WINS) > Office: 301.306.6115 > Mobile: 410.493.9448 > Email: whitneyp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Pager: 1051178@xxxxxxxxxx > > -- > redhat-list mailing list > unsubscribe mailto:redhat-list-request@xxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list > Troy, So why do believe that you should not help your MGR get the work done? (That is why she/he hired you after all!) So why do believe that you should not take responsibility for your own career? (Is a bad MGR the one you want making your career decisions!) MGRS are not technical. They listen to people based on a number of factors. Certs get you heard. MGRS come and go. I have been here 3 years and have had 3 MGRS. You have to talk in terms they understand. As corporate drolls, they understand certifications. I am surprised that you work for a really big CERTIFICATION agency (.edu) and have such an anti-educational/anti-certification. Regardless of the differing opinions, I prefer to take control of my own career. MGRS don't always do this (though all MGRS should). If the company wouldn't pay for my cert classes, I will. I paid $5K for my RHCT training and certification and received a $8K raise 8 months later. Thus far, the $5K investment has garnered me $14.4K. And they want me to stay--that's $8K per year. Do you really think I should walk away from $8K a years?
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