On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Troy <troya@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Here's a story from the class I took, RH300. One of the exercises was to > grow a filesystem that had a couple files in it already. I couldn't remember > the exact syntax right away, so I tar'd everything up, created a new > filesystem, and moved everything back. As we were all talking about the > test, I mentioned that I froze on that part and just hacked around it with > tar. One of the guys, who also passed the test, asked me what tar was. > > > > On Aug 22, 2008, at 8:29 AM, Paul Whitney wrote: > > Well they may not be all that, but it does have a lot more rigor than >> say an MCSE. I thought the RHCE exam was pretty tough because of the >> written and practicals portion. I have actually considered it just >> because of the practical side would tend to be more credible than just a >> cram jam. >> >> I am not a sysadmin and do not do this stuff everyday, but would still >> like the cred just because I do work on it from an integration >> perspective. >> >> P. >> >> On Fri, 2008-08-22 at 07:59 -0700, Troy wrote: >> >>> Any manager that doesn't know the difference between a good sysadmin >>> and one with a bunch of certificates, is a manager you don't want to >>> work for. >>> >>> Having said that, if they're paying for it, you might as well take it. >>> My manager wanted me to take it, and it was the most ridiculous thing >>> I've ever seen. Now, anyone who boasts about the fact that they are >>> RHCE certified, gets put into a very special category in my book. >>> >>> >>> On Aug 22, 2008, at 6:24 AM, hike wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 8:38 AM, mark <m.roth2006@xxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> >>>> Johan Booysen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> My employer wants me to look into gaining the RHCE certification. >>>>>> >>>>> <snip> >>>>> Only if your employer is paying. Otherwise, well, we've had >>>>> discussions >>>>> here >>>>> before, and it's not more important than actually knowing/learning >>>>> the job >>>>> on >>>>> your own (books/co-workers/google HOWTOs/etc). >>>>> >>>>> mark >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> redhat-list mailing list >>>>> unsubscribe mailto:redhat-list-request@xxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe >>>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> MGRS are generally NOT technical. >>>> MGRS use certification, training classes as a way to judge their >>>> work-force. >>>> >>>> Certifications help MGRS within the business organization whether >>>> they are >>>> looking for status (I've got all RHCEs on my staff), or quick >>>> approval (all >>>> the engineers recommend), or avoiding nitpicking people (the RHCE >>>> all said >>>> this is the way to go). >>>> >>>> If you have certification, you help your MGR get her/his job >>>> accomplished! >>>> >>>> Certs may mean nothing to a sysadmin but certs are very important to >>>> your >>>> MGR. >>>> Don't you want to help your MGR accomplish his task, show support for >>>> her/him, etc.? >>>> >>>> Certs are a game that sysadmin canNOT afford to skip. >>>> >>>> On the plus side, certs will get you jobs and more money. >>>> My Solaris sysadmin Certification brings in at least $10K more a >>>> year. At >>>> my site, I am the highest paid sysadmin because of my certs (a college >>>> degree puts me in the senior category; the certs make me the biggest >>>> earner). The real UNIX guru, with 5-10 more years of experience and >>>> a much >>>> larger skill set, dreams of making what I make. (I recommended him >>>> for my >>>> current position; my employer picked little, old, certified me.) >>>> >>>> Skipping certs is a fool's game! >>>> >>>> >>>> I paid for my own RHCT training--class, hotel, car, meals, and took >>>> a week >>>> without pay. Passed the RHCT test. Put in on my company's website >>>> form. >>>> Now I am recognized as certified. >>>> >>>> If you need a cert, get it; if you have to pay for it, get it. It >>>> is your >>>> career not your MGR's or your employer's career. Just like college, >>>> once >>>> you get your bachelor's, you don't have to get it again and it is a >>>> constatnt source of money. (The $10K it cost me for college has >>>> provided >>>> $100Ks for me. Currently, it pays about $10K per year that similarily >>>> skilled sysadmins without a backelor's don't get.) >>>> >>>> Being penny wise and pound foolish is also a fool's game! >>>> >>>> Fools give bad advice. >>>> -- >>>> redhat-list mailing list >>>> unsubscribe mailto:redhat-list-request@xxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe >>>> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list >>>> >>> >>> -- >> >> Paul M. Whitney, VCP >> Sr. Systems Engineer >> Worldwide Information Network Systems (WINS) >> Office: 301.306.6115 >> Mobile: 410.493.9448 >> Email: whitneyp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Pager: 1051178@xxxxxxxxxx >> >> -- >> redhat-list mailing list >> unsubscribe mailto:redhat-list-request@xxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list >> > > -- > redhat-list mailing list > unsubscribe mailto:redhat-list-request@xxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list > If the newly minted RHCE didn't know what "tar" was, there are several possibilities. (1) the backup/restore portions of the RH classes were not covered properly (2) the RHCE didn't freeze like you and did it using the methods covered in class. With the practical portions of both the RHCT and the RHCE, the newly minted RHCE was NOT a paper RHCE. 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