On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 10:13, Mike Vanecek wrote: > On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:46:11 -0600, Ed Wilts wrote > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 10:02:58PM -0500, Jason Dixon wrote: > > > Is it possible to renew only the RHN (patches) for RHPW on a yearly > > > basis? > > > > I'm trying to find this out. > > > > > Even if it is, here's the catch... although you can always > > > install server software (Samba, Bind, etc.), you won't have access to > > > the errata. This still leaves a gaping hole for SOHO customers, IMHO. > > > > For a typical home office user, you don't need bind or an ftp daemon. > > Samba is included as is Apache and openssh-server. > > Some advice on my situation would be appreciated. > > I teach a graduate level special topics course for IS students in a College of > Business. My students are assigned to teams. Each team is required to design > and implement an e-commerce web site using Linux. In addition each team is > required to install a Linux/Win2K dual boot workstation to be used to test > their project. I have a classroom/lab with slip case hard disks where the > teams do all their work. > > The project uses Apache, PHP, MySql Server, Postfix, Vsftpd, SSH, Tripwire, > LogWatch, Samba, and so on. It does not do DNS or Bind. > > I run three servers for which I have had a RHN subscription for each. One > server is installed fresh in the classroom/lab as part of the course > instruction. One server is installed fresh in my office for prep and testing. > One server runs at my home office to provide me a continual stable platform > for testing and learning. I try not to do a fresh install on the home system > if at all possible due to the amount of work it takes to install support > packages (spamassassin, chkrootkit, amavis, fprot, php and mysql apps, and so > on). > > In the past I have used whatever was the latest version of the Red Hat Linux > xx (6, 6.2, 7.1, 8, and 9) Bible textbook by Negus. The Negus textbook has > been well received by the students in the past. It provides both a learning > tool and a reference tool. > > I also use php, mysql, and Linux in a Nutshell texts. I supplement these > materials with copies of Documentation CDs and a CBT CD. Although a pain, I > have been able to survive on a 12-18 month live cycle. Obviously, new versions > require a lot of prep changes. > > The students have been required to subscribe to a demo account of RHN in order > for them to update the rpms that are on the CD that comes with the textbook. > > All of the changes are leaving me somewhat frustrated as to what to do next. > > ********** > > (1) Short term needs for Spring 2004: > > I can do that semester with RH 9. My RHN subscriptions should get me through > April. However, the students will no longer have access to a demo RHN account. > So how do I handle their updates? Maybe set up the classroom/lab server to > save the binary rpms that are updated from my RHN subscription on that machine > and then use some app to make that server an up2date server for my students > (not quite sure how to accomplish this task)? > > (2) Long term needs after Spring 2004: > > Stable Linux server software as indicated above that my students can install. > I have no idea of what will happen to the Red Hat Linux xx Bible series. > Hence, I may need to find another equivalent textbook based on what direction > I go for the student's software. > > Free up2date access for a single semester for those student teams (typically > around 30 students and 12-15 teams). > > A prep life cycle of no less than 12-18 months. > > ********** > > I am watching what develops with RHPWS with hopes that maybe it could be made > to work. I am not sure my students can afford a $99 product for only a single > semester. They would still need ftp and mysql server. Also, they need some > means to get free updates. For my prep needs, something along 12-18 month life > cycle would be nice. Further, a textbook like the RH Linux xx Bible would be > needed. > > Fedora does not seem to meet these needs due to its short life cycle and > somewhat bleeding edge direction. Student learning as much as they are > required to learn need a stable platform. > > Any ideas would be appreciated. Now that I have my thoughts down on paper, I > think I will send a copy to RH education support. Have your students set up "apt-get". With this you can get free updates. They can set up a cron job, to get the updated packages and install. -- Doug Potter <dpotter@xxxxxxxxx> -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:redhat-list-request@xxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
