At 11:22 PM +0200 5/18/11, Peter Lind wrote:
On 18 May 2011 23:12, tedd <tedd@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Thanks, but the point here *is* to get people involved using PHP.
Good and noble intent. Does not in any way have anything to do with
copypasting.
That's more of an argument than a fact -- and I don't feel
comfortable calling it copypasting. I'll stick with calling the
practice "Copy/Paste" as defined by Apple. Sure, people can argue
that M$ invented the practice, as they did everything else, but I
remember M$ claiming that the mouse wouldn't make it, and that was
before Copy/Paste. :-)
Back to point, I just spent 16 week teaching 16 college students via
"Introduction in PHP" by giving them code to copy/paste.
As a result, I saw most take-off and learn more than I taught. Sure,
there were some who just didn't get it, but I think they would not
have "gotten-it" even if I had forced them to hard-code everything.
Some people are not geared for programming.
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*IF* the users follow directions - a lot of them won't. Some of them
will copypaste it into different environments than you have envisaged.
Then someone will probably also find a bug in it at some point.
If they do find a bug, then I'll deal with it. But putting this link
up for review by peers, as I've done here, is one way to help catch
those bugs.
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> Granted, for over a dozen years I've provided various "code" to users and
have more than my share of stories to tell of how they don't follow
directions -- just take a look at my "Web Tips" pages. However, I would have
greatly appreciated someone showing me what an include was back in 1998. It
could have saved me a lot of trouble.
You make my point for me but for some reason don't want to follow the
logical conclusion of it. Why?
I stated my reason, Perhaps I'm wrong, but that remains to be seen.
However, it is not fact that your position is a logical conclusion --
it's just your conclusion.
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> This is just one way to give-back.
Suggesting people that they copypaste your code is a very bad way of
giving back. Suggesting that they read and understand the code is a
great way. I hope you see the difference.
I see the difference, but I don't agree with you. I say that if you
give people a small sample of something that interest them and it
works, it is far better than forcing them into "Adventures in
Keypunching" to see any results, which was the way I was introduced
into programming. That was NOT good.
Ours is just a difference of opinion.
Thanks for your help and opinion.
Cheers,
tedd
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